WestEddy

Nastrini has actually been doing better his last few outings. I'm not sure how he became "my boy". Had I been carpet posting positive assessments of him all year? Getz focused on one area, and that move looks like a winner. Do you know that JR wanted Grifol fired and Getz went to the mat for him? And are you actually trying to say that while Getz was playing 2B for the Royals, he hired Marco Paddy as White Sox head of international scouting? You don't seem to be arguing anything other than you don't like Chris Getz. I am truly sorry that I hurt you by looking for a positive in our bullpen during spring training, and calling them "lockdown" once. I agree with you that the Sox' record is 31-99.

Nobody thought this team was going to be good. Maybe the complete tank was a way to get JR to focus on modernization. At least that's what I'm hoping.

The guy who calls every move a disaster evaluates this trade as ..... a disaster!! I am surprise.

Keith Law had no criticism of the Fedde trade, James Fox felt it was a prospect short. I do think Getz got taken in by the 3-team malarkey. There were no top 100 prospects traded this deadline, and Vargas was a top 40 just last year, so I'm willing to give him an off-season to see if they work with him. Kopech was horrible until about 2 outings before the trade deadline. We could have gotten more if he was traded on his own, but it's not like we were trading a shut down closer with a great track record.

Horrible? Everything I've read says that the Fedde trade looks like he came up one prospect short, and the rest (Eloy, Banks, DeJong) were actually good trades. Miguel Vargas was a top 40 prospect just last year, so I'm going to wait and see on him for a little bit.

Yeah, he probably has. That's why he picked one area to completely redo as his first act, bring in Bannister, and overhaul pitching development. And that seems to have worked out very well. So you've proven to me that Getz seems to know what he's doing, and is executing well. He probably took a hard look at amateur and international scouting, letting Paddy complete a full scouting cycle with some new direction to see how he proceeded. He probably was told to hold on to Grifol and his coaches, give him a couple "clubhouse leaders" to see how he managed, and that played out. Pretending that Getz was solely responsible for every part of every mess he inherited is silly. The illogic of those assertions make me cut Getz even more slack.

So does whatever he ate for breakfast today. I get it. You don't like Chris Getz. What's your point beyond that?

Isn't the main window for hiring the GM meetings, or the owners' meetings in December? Getz was hired in mid-August, giving him about 10 weeks of baseball activity to evaluate the organization. My guess is that he fixed one area with the Bannister hire, and then gave himself a year to evaluate the rest of the operation. I don't see him answering questions honestly (which is what everyone's screaming for) about different areas (hitting development, international scouting, etc) as throwing people under the bus, or admitting that he was at fault for those people being there in the first place. He actually gave everybody in the organization an entire year to either expose or exonerate themselves. Marco Paddy's biggest international signing this cycle (Eduardo Herrera) just OPSed .573 in the Dominican League. It's good that the GM is recognizing areas that aren't producing, and is openly talking about moving on.

That's how I became a "Chris Getz burner account". Every move must confirm that Getz is "in over his head". It's not hypocritical or even ironic that a guy hired for a job understands he has to get new ideas from outside the organization.

Thank you.

You weren't accurate. I'm sorry I hurt you. Please learn to heal.

I really don't think they're going to break that record.

It isn't serious. Just hanging back. Thanks for acknowledging. There's not a lot of news beyond roster moves to get into inane, thread killing back-and-forths over.

You really don't need to speak for me.

Rent free, dude.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's not even "defending Getz". It's more pushing back on people posting "Getz sucks" with no nuance or context. It's probably the equivalent of "Cub fan"; people who want to repeat the same canards over and over, and when pressed to even explain themselves they bail with a "you're Chris Getz", or something inane.

1) But there is the management of hit coaching across the organization, as well as fielding. What most fans are looking for is an organizational approach to the offensive side of the game. Not one that forces all hitters to use the same approach, but maybe something that is teaching the use of stats, heat maps, approach to an at-bat, etc, at every level, as well as tweaking mechanics. 2) If I can't "like" a draft that just happened, then I'm assuming you agree that anybody trashing the draft that just happened are silly. From what I've read about this recent draft, I like what Shirley did, and I don't hate the player pool they acquired. If you don't think guys like Mason Adams, Brooks Baldwin, Grant Taylor, George Wolkow, and Jon Cannon are examples of good scouting, then there are no examples of good or bad scouting.

You did just post a Dumb and Dumber clip that I guess is your view of me ignoring another half dozen people engaging in hyperbole over a roster move, or whatever.

And I'll ask you who is saying Getz bears NO responsibility? If you're going to play the game of nailing down my every word, do it to everybody, or butt out.

The chat during and after the draft was ridiculous. Every pick in a weak draft had the regular nay-sayers spouting off the same canards. Yes, one has to learn to ignore the house narrative if one wants to find out what the people who know what they're talking about think.

I find it equally as baffling that people think he bears 100% of the responsibility. He inherited 4 positional players whose contracts dictated they start, and another whose #3 draft pick put a lot of weight on giving him a year to show his promise. Getz entered the winter meetings with one starter in the pitching rotation, and about half a bullpen. It gets bandied about here that his budget was cut, and he did mention a difficulty attracting free agent pitchers here because of the defensive reputation. But that all gets miraculously forgotten when we throw around this 100% responsibility claim. So all of that said, no, I don't think Getz has been knocking it out of the park. I can't tell if he's been doing a truly horrendous job because of the white noise of everybody screaming about every single move. I like the draft. I like some of his trades, not so much on some others. We all yell that we don't want any real prospects to be promoted to the major league team so that Grifol can't ruin them, but then ignore the total offensive collapse of the team, or slow development of rookies on the big team. Getz just fired Grifol and his coach buddies. Win? This team is in a rebuild. Bannister is a win. He's saying the right things about refocusing our international efforts, hiring a new manager and bringing in a "Bannister of hitting". People are simultaneously saying that W-L doesn't matter, but Getz failed horrifically because of W-L. So arguing points in a vacuum may feel like people defending Getz. I'm just defending me getting a chance to see a full year in the life of a GM to make my own decision, and not follow the mob here like a zombie.

This has nothing to do with my post. I did say I liked the bullpen in Spring Training, and called it lockdown. I must be making a salient point, or else you wouldn't feel the need to sling a comment I said 5 months ago, or attribute something I don't recall saying about Nastrini - in order to derail the conversation.

Getz had 4 of 8 positions to upgrade. He was stuck with 3 contracts, and a #3 overall pick. Lets look at each position: C - He replaced Grandal with Maldonado as a sop to Grifol to help with clubhouse issues. Maldonado was a lateral move, but Lee/Maldonado was better than Grandal/Lee as a catching duo. 1B - I'd argue Getz had to give Vaughn a full year to step up. He regressed, both offensively and defensively. 2B - Has has been mentioned, this was a lateral move. Lopez is probably better defensively, worse offensively than Elvis. 3B - Yoan is a great defensive player, got injured 11 games in. Ramos was probably a slight step down, Sosa/Mendick were much worse. It's hard to upgrade from Yoan. SS - DeJong was an obvious upgrade from Anderson. LF - Benintendi regressed. CF - Robert was injured. It's hard to replace his defensive production, even with an injured Luis Robert. RF - Fletcher/Pillar was an upgrade from Colas/Sheets of 2023, defensively. Even Pham was an upgrade. So when you're arguing that Getz failed in his main pursuit, 3 regulars regressed, defensively, one was injured. Of the 4 positions he could improve, Getz improved all 4, defensively. The regression of the 4 holdover positions dragged down the overall team ratings.