WestEddy

There, fixed it for you. What should they do? Give him twice what he's worth? That's stupid. Then everybody's wife "hates" Chicago, and we're paying twice the going rate. It's total spin. No, Hahn wasn't a good GM. But let's quit with the BS.

Reason. Not paragraph, reason. "Drohan - junkballer". You're dismissive. If you don't think there are 15 starting pitching prospects in our system, just say so. Don't coax me into giving you a list, then just be a condescending prick about it. You think I'm an asshole? I give back as good as I get it.

Spin it any way you want. They actually offered more than the Phillies. Wheeler's wife wanted to be on the East Coast.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or arguing with me. It is difficult. I think that in the past, the Sox just succumbed to public pressure, and signed Adam Dunn, or plugged in a AAAA player. But scouting and signing Frankie Montas isn't some great accomplishment. We're in a rebuild. This T R U guy is suggesting that filling starting roles through the minor leagues, then finishing with FA is impossible, or something. JR has "approved" it happening when he had a GM who wanted to do it. Ron Schueler and KW didn't seem to have any problem. We'll see how Getz does. I suppose he's over his head because he doesn't call all his players garbage on a message board. LOL.

Relying on their own scouting probably already has. I don't think Hahn/KW were very good at using or listening to their scouts.

That's probably true. Promotions seem to be pretty deliberate this season, Getz' first. Burke rocketed up the ladder until he got injured.

I'm led to believe the Sox made a very competitive bid on Wheeler, and he just opted for the Phillies. They could have gone nuts this last off-season and had 3 mid-rotation arms at 1/$15m. They cut their budget.

It's almost like they think GMs sit at home and read Fangraphs to do their scouting.

If only major league GMs were to figure out the "sign or trade for all the good players" philosophy. I often wonder why guys like you aren't constantly being recruited by major sports teams. You seem to have it all figured out.

The fact that you can't even name one of these guys and give a reason says to me you have no idea what a good pitching prospect is, strange or otherwise. It's kind of prickish to pretend you're interested in somebody's thinking, ask them to write up a list, then piss on it.

Oh, sure. Martin, Burke and Drohan are all recovering from surgery, and most probably won't be starting this year. And with the wave at AA, this is probably their window to establish themselves. Cannon's already been bounced out, but he'll most likely be getting August/Sept starts.

Dueling databases. Baseball-Reference.com January 5, 2024 Signed Martín Maldonado as a free agent. Signed Rafael Ortega as a free agent.

Martin Maldonado was signed in January.

And if you eliminate all of the examples of good players they've obtained, THEY'VE NEVER OBTAINED ANY GOOD PLAYERS!!!

That's what I figured you'd say. Which ones do you dispute, and why?

Gowans at Winston-Salem is the prospect we got in the Bummer trade. He's probably the next starter promoted out of high-A. AAA Davis Martin Sean Burke Jonathan Cannon Shane Drohan* AA Noah Schultz* Drew Thorpe Jairo Iriarte Ky Bush* Mason Adams Jake Eder* A+ Riley Gowans Juan Carela Tyler Schweitzer* Drew McDaniel Shane Murphy* Tanner McDougal Peyton Pallette A Grant Taylor Lucas Gordan* Seth Keener Aldrin Batista Jake Bockenstedt Jake Peppers R Christian Oppor*

Why don't you just go look them up? We are deep in pitching. That's not a controversial statement.

It's a bunch of bloggers, thinking that Maldonado appearing on the leaderboards will "embarrass" the White Sox.

The Sox have about 15 good starting pitching prospects scattered over 4-5 levels of minor leagues.

It certainly seems that Getz relies on his scouting departments more than Hahn and KW ever did.

There's a Twitter campaign to vote up Maldonado.

Even though Grifol doesn't seem to be able to talk about who his starting catcher is, the PR department sure is:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/edgar-quero/sa3015239/stats?position=C

Isn't "firing", by definition, being held accountable?