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WestEddy

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  1. I think Hahn's done in baseball. Hahn making it back to GM would be the story of the century. He has too much of the stink of not failure, but of resignation to failure. He should have quit and sold cars until his contract ran out. I don't think Grifol makes it through 2024. I think he's being kept around as a mulligan by Getz. I don't know about Getz, but yes, Barfield is going places.
  2. So what you're saying is that everybody who is proving to me beyond a reasonable doubt that all of baseball history has been leading up to the mastery of Chris Getz is wrong?!?!? Every single one of you has validated my own arguments. Nobody has made a move to disprove me.
  3. So while he was still a player, Chris Gets had Kenny Williams installed as GM so that he could hire Getz as Director of Player Development, at which point it was too late to stop him. I don't know why you're not pitching this 5 season series to Netflix. I'm watching The OA right now, and this blows OA out of the water.
  4. Or maybe the organization had a toxic VP making insane decisions and overruling everybody, which made the team fire him. It's almost like none of these stories were thoroughly reported.
  5. He came up, and his great strike zone judgement was highly criticized. So in his 2nd season, he got aggressive, and led the league in strikeouts. He was moved to 3rd base, where he adjusted and put up 5.2 bWAR. Huge disappointment. Again, y'all are grasping at straws. Victor Robles was the #2 prospect in all of baseball, and got cut a month ago, so that proves my point.
  6. What went wrong? Bumping Vaughn and Madrigal too quick? Moving first-basemen to the OF? Training and conditioning sh*tting the bed on multiple players? Sounds like the Director of Player Development is the most important job in the organization, if that's all his responsibility. He was probably "demoted" to GM. I'm not sure what you think the Player Development guy's job is. He doesn't run the entire organization. Everybody is saying he did a poor job, then they start naming things he had little to nothing to do with as evidence. When I point out actual players who graduated to the bigs, they were either too good, or too bad to count. I'm sure if I made an argument about Luis Robert, in about 6 posts, everyone would be screaming that Robert is a huge disappointment and shouldn't even be considered a "good" player.
  7. Disaster? Moncada clocked in right under an average major leaguer in WAR. So he came out of the minors, and he stepped into a major league roll, and almost performed like an average major leaguer. You are right. That is a total failure on the part of minor league development. He should have hit the league, put up 6 WAR, and only got better from there. Dude got COVID, then had lingering bad back injuries. After the TDL this last season, Moncada OPSed .825 from 8/1 on. Sounds like Chris Getz sat him down on 7/31, and explained how to be the great player that he forgot to be since he left Getz's tutelage. You guys are beginning to convince me that Chris Getz was the greatest GM hire in the history of the game. Many will lose their jobs for not grabbing him up sooner.
  8. Great. Hey, can you point out a Minor League Development guy who walked into an organization, flipped a switch and started spitting out All-Stars? Or is it a multi-year process of changing processes, one by one, swapping out vendors, instilling new programs, getting buy-in, and working to get problem dudes moved out? Y'all keep pointing to a 101 loss season, and argue that means every single person in the organization had taken an oath to make everything suck. I'm at least offering arguments.
  9. Oh, so then, he gets to claim Colson Montgomery (who was seen as a reach when drafted), Noah Shultz (who the jury was still out on)? Then Chris Getz looks like a pretty damn good Director of Player Development to me. These Brian Ramos and Wilfred Veras guys? 2 more feathers. Terrell Tatum, Tim Elko, Jacob Burke, Michael Camilletti, Brooks Baldwin and Michael Turner all took big leaps forward this season. All were mid-late round picks. You're starting to convince me that Chris Getz is the greatest Minor League development guy in baseball. I'm even more psyched, now.
  10. Yoan Moncada has had 4 and 5 WAR seasons in the bigs. Eloy can't stay healthy. Player development did their job, and delivered them to the bigs where they displayed some of the immense prospect. The pro coaching and training staffs then proceeded to drop the ball. Y'all are just being argumentative at this point. I could say that the sun rises in the East, and all of your heads would explode, because dude who won't laugh at our Chris Getz put-downs can't possibly be right about a single point. I'm not sure what's so hard to admit about: "Chris Getz graduated the good talent he was given to work with". Everybody has to throw in these meaningless caveats that don't even apply. Beyond that, he was given dudes who were only available because of bad attitudes, or track records, and were turned into replacement players who could sub in for 2 months and hold their own. Were they sure-fire Hall-of-Famers that Getz stuck with a syringe of "suck-at-baseball" juice on the sly? If you really believe that Nicky Delmonico was going to be a 40 HR a year guy, prove it. First rounders being rushed to the bigs, or guys who just can't take 3 steps without pulling every muscle on their skeleton aren't on the Director of Player Development.
  11. I keep wondering how all y'all keep forgetting to post this list of amazing prospect talent the White Sox had, and Chris Getz taught them all how to suck. There are a lot of MLB front office personnel who are with the only organization who would offer them that position. Tell me, when you look for a job, and you're offered a job, do you hold off on accepting that job until you get multiple offers, just to prove that you're a great job prospect? Where do all these insane rules come from? The guy was an Asst GM, then was promoted to GM. I've said this many times in these strings, but I get that y'all are unhappy that Reinsdorf said some BS, then just promoted somebody. Everybody is bending themselves into pretzel shapes to try to portray Chris Getz as the architect of 15+ years of sucking. The actual feathers in Getz's cap I listed (Eloy, Yoan, Gio, Cease, Robert), everybody says don't count because everything good about them happened outside of our organization, and everything bad happened because Chris Getz made them cry, or something.
  12. So we should be happy with a guy who is defining roles, introducing accountability, and throwing some order into an organization built on chaos. If there's no way to objectively PROVE anything, then it's silly for the people here to declare that because of a list of things that had nothing to do with Getz' management of player development, he was poor at his job. Tell you what. If Getz mistakenly trades Colson Montgomery for the 2023 equivalent of James Shields, I'll say he's bad at his job. But it just gets tiresome, where every single comment string everywhere on the internet has to get clobbered with "Getz is inexperienced", and "he sucks because he graduated all of the top prospects to the major leagues".
  13. Obviously, coming from the Astros, and getting Soroka from the Braves, they'll teach the team how to win.
  14. Dude, a small bunch of guys accusing me of sticking up for Hahn, or saying that Getz was a great pick, or that Getz ruined a bunch of guys he had nothing to do with isn't "overwhelming evidence". Present some overwhelming evidence, and I'll deal with it.
  15. Now you're just being silly. Nobody has disproven my assertion that Getz isn't "inexperienced", coming into the GM role, and I haven't been given any evidence that he was anything less than an average director of player development in his 3 years in that role. Graduating top prospects isn't a negative in this case. Joke all you want, it's all you really have, right now.
  16. You still haven't posted any evidence to disprove my stated point. You haven't dug at all. KW/Hahn rushed the first rounders, and I'm not sure if Hostetler was a crappy director of scouting, or if KW/JR just bum rushed the war room and started throwing darts. But you haven't even made a point, yet.
  17. He was promoted out of the role in 2020 to Asst. GM. Seby Zavala was developed into a plus defensive catcher from a bat first late-rounder.
  18. Hasn't Vera been battling injuries during his time with the Sox? It looks like Vera's longest stretch at any level was 24 innings spread over 8 starts at Kannapolis last year. Are you claiming that Getz somehow hurt him after leaving the Player Development position? It sounds like you're saying Chris Getz was an average Director of Player Development. I've made a few lists of players that came up under Getz. Again, I'm asking for a list of hot prospects that failed under Getz during his tenure. not a list of guys from 2012 to the present who were disappointing.
  19. No, and that's not even the argument I'm making. I'm not even sure what you're doing at this point. Maybe you should read up-string, and argue the actual points I've made, instead of assigning me blame for what the voices in your head are saying. Let me catch you up: My argument is that while director of player development, he graduated the players he should have, and increased the rate of players who could sub in for 50 games and provide value. I don't really care that you hate Rick Hahn, or Jerry Reinsdorf, or pretend that all front offices spend their days sitting around and laughing at baseball players.
  20. Let me know where I've argued that. Nicky Delmonico put out a pretty useful 1.4 bWAR in 43 games in 2017. The league adjusted to him, and he never really recovered. Also, please tell me how that's worse than J.B. Shuck's -( that's minus)1.8 bWAR put up in 80 games as an OF replacement in 2016. I'm not sure what anybody's arguing, here. It's like y'all encounter a guy who isn't making the same jokes over and over, and suddenly, I'm in love with Rick Hahn. I'm saying that the Sox seem to be putting out more useful pieces during and after Getz' tenure than they were before. I don't care if somebody doesn't think that a dude coming up and putting 1 WAR in 40-50 games as a replacement isn't "useful". It is, and all of MLB is probably reading this string and laughing at the tortured arguments
  21. So laughable that 4 of the 5 I mentioned were snapped up by other teams when we released them? Leury's the fifth, and he just got signed this off-season. I'm not sure what you're arguing. You're not disproving anything I've said, or anything you're pretending I've said, for that matter.
  22. Please start a list of sure-fire, perennial All-Stars that Getz ruined between 2017 and 2020. Otherwise, he was graduating one-dimensional players at a better rate than previous. And when you compile this list of failure, remember that Getz didn't do drafting, signings, make decisions on whether to promote players who were unready to fill roles that should have been filled with a major league player. My argument is that he graduated the guys he should have, increased the rate of what I'm calling useful spare pieces to the bigs, and probably put a program in place that is moving more multi-dimensional guys at a better clip than the previous people.
  23. And how do I view Hahn? I think he probably started out with good organizational ideas. We'll never know if he was some wonderkid or not, because he wound up in a situation where he and the VP clashed, and cancelled each other out. It certainly looks like after a certain point, he gave up, and did the bare minimum, either as a pouty b****, or just wanting to be let go so he could go find an accounting firm to work at. I'd consider him damaged goods at this point, outed as a quitter, so maybe the rest of baseball sees Hahn exactly as I do. Let me know what the baseball people you know think.
  24. Merry Christmas, everyone. I hope to be arguing next year over which of the 2-bWAR DeJong or 2-bWAR Lopez should go to the bench when Colson Montgomery plays his way out of AAA.
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