WestEddy

Yes, I did respond to the right post. I don't care. I'm not sitting in a corner, crying, because this is the worst 15 game start for the White Sox in their entire history. I really don't give a s%*#. I'm really not "humiliated" by the 6 shutouts in 16 games. I'd like that to not be the case, but I don't care. I'm not going to post it over and over to try to make other sox fans mad. I don't care. Seriously, what's your point? I'm happy Nastrini had a nice start. Wilson and Leasure look like good bullpen pieces, going forward. Maybe Eloy will get pissed and go off on a streak. Please, tell me all of the higher priced free agents who were beating down the doors at Guaranteed Rate Field to sign with this club. We've all known this was going to be a s%*# year. I'm not sure why, as some positive poster described it, this all has to be one big circle jerk of misery. Maybe these people dream that if they smile, Jerry Reinsdorf will break into their bedrooms, and rape them at night. I really don't get the dynamic. It's a baseball team. We don't have to descend into fits of depression because a baseball team is rebuilding. Big f*u*c*k*i*n*g deal. Get over it.

Then why do you still root for this team? You should have expected in 1981 that you would be miserable for 40 years. Joke's on you, dude. I'm certainly not going to get dunked on some guy who has been dunked on by Jerry Reinsdorf for 40 years. Do you have anything of value to add? I didn't think so.

No, I just didn't expect 5 major league hitters to get injured or slump to .300 OPS levels, at the same time, over 2 weeks. I guess they did that because of Jerry Reinsdorf's frugality. This is all Hahn's White Sox. He assembled a "core" of 5 starting pitchers and 7 position players for his "window" of contention. I'm sure Hahn or Kenny Williams don't feel humiliated by this start. Those are the people responsible for it.

It's funny that you think you're rooting for maximum embarrassment. I'm guessing you're "rooting" for maximum leverage.

Maybe they read Sox Talk. Start posting some motivational comments, instead of "everybody sucks because Jerry reinsdorf's alive!!!".

I'm glad you have something to root for.

It's weird that those were "warning signs" back in December.

He strikes me as a Tony Phillips spark plug. Option Vaughn.

Well, he cooled off. Small sample size. Busch will, too.

"But he won't be on the next Sox Championship team!!!!" LOL. I'm happy with two big upside pitchers and a raking CF prospect.

I'm just not sure why you guys are complaining that they cut Bryan Shaw in all of this.

Maybe it was. I googled it. Maybe that's last year.

I sometimes feel like somebody figured out that a board that generates negative comments can be turned into bitcoin farming.

Then they can make Tim Hill special umpire scout.

As it stands right now, Bryan Shaw's $1.5 million is the only "wasted" money. And they did give the young guys enough time in the minors to get that extra year of control you so wanted. Who cares if they were going to give Nastrini and Cannon their shot early or not? You act like you stumbled upon Nixon's Watergate tapes.

And we were right. Nastrini and Cannon weren't rushed to start the season in the ML rotation.

Flexen's 3 first innings were all 3-up, 3-down. Maybe Getz wanted him in relief from the get-go. Maybe Tim Hill will be the collateral damage of Cannon joining the parent team. Interesting that Shaw, Hill, Flexen and Soroka were all just noise to get out past an extra year's control on Nastrini and Cannon.

Then why would he bring up the team meeting?

Well, that being said, I've had it beaten into my head, here, that Crochet is so fragile, handing him a baseball is an injury risk. The risk in throwing 70 innings a game is virtually the same as throwing 90 innings. As far as reaching his limit sooner, I'm guessing the "100 innings" is rolled into starts, with monitoring. Maybe he starts pairing with Davis Martin when he returns, each taking 3 innings.

Well, 90 pitch outings aren't a risk for Crochet, so the point is moot. The question was about using up his innings early. There will be other pitchers coming that will take the onus off of Crochet, within a week, or so. It's not a worry that they're going to "use up" his innings early. And if they do, who cares? Start the shitbird starters back out there, and we can ask you every game if you like seeing what you were asking for.

Wasn't it you I went around with for a day, arguing about whether Garrett Crochet threw any game innings that weren't logged on stat sites? He's the healthiest he's probably been in his career. Right now, the Sox need somebody to eat innings. Maybe once Clevinger's aboard, Keller, Nastrini or Cannon look capable, they won't use Crochet as the stopper regularly. I have read that the thinking now is that the 90 pitch outings aren't harmful. It's the longer innings that are the real problem.

I really wish there was a place to find out what brand of motor oil is used in the Sox team buses. That rage-fest could go on for weeks.

Right now, they have one pitcher who can get through the 5th inning on a regular basis. By the middle-end of June, they should have Clevinger, maybe Keller, Nastrini/Cannon getting through the 5th, and saving the bullpen, some, and they'll ramp him down.

As I just commented to someone else in this thread, 90 pitches in 6 innings isn't the problem. It's the 40 pitch innings that really stress the arm. The 140 pitch, 9 inning outings aren't good, either. If a pitcher throws 15-20 pitches, then rests for the other half of the inning, that's regular work.

Well, throwing 92 pitches in a game isn't "grinding down" a pitcher. It's the 40 pitch innings that are worrisome. If a guy throws 15-20 pitches, then sits down for however long the other half of the inning takes, that's just regular work. Crochet has never been as healthy as he's been this spring. And I'm not sure what "benefit of the doubt" is being requested for the Sox. This is all standard pitcher protocol. Crochet's previous injuries or how many innings he threw 5 years ago don't really have anything to do with his workload this year.