WestEddy

Or can just make him listen on pitch selection.

Then it's a good thing that they changed scouting directors 5 years ago, and have been drafting much better since.

Do you mean over the years where they didn't draft positional players well?

It's a good thing that nobody on the Sox said that, and it's just Jim Bowden and his usual BS.

His lack of lockdown, strike-out stuff probably knocks him down a notch. But he certainly will be traded, and won't clean out a team's top 5.

You're describing players concluding that making more money is bad because that only makes owners want to break the rules and withhold it from them.

It's two months of PAs for somebody. Baldwin, maybe.

I accounted for the buyout in the original post. I'm sure there's a way for Getz to make another team taking a flier on Yoan palatable for both the trading team, and Reinsdorf.

Moncada is owed $8m for the last 2 months of the season. Crochet, ~$800k, ÷ 3 = $266k. (8m + 266k) ÷ 2 = 4.133

Frowny face emoji.

Rosenthal talks about how the deadline to trade competitive balance picks is 5:00 Sunday evening. The Pirates, D-backs, Guardians and Royals have round A picks that follow the 1st round. The Twins, Brewers and Reds have round B picks that follow the 2nd round. MLB draft order, if you're interested: https://www.mlb.com/draft/2024/order

I have the naive belief that scouts don't just pull up Fangraphs, scout the stat line, then suggest a trade. I would imagine that if Vaughn has made some adjustments, and this .800 OPS run he's on looks physically sustainable, a team like Pittsburgh could decide that Vaughn is a better option for the rest of 2024 than Rowdy Tellez.

We are one week from full on TDL season.

If they eat Moncada's buyout, package him with Crochet, who is essentially free, an acquiring team is getting Moncada and Crochet for $4.133m ea the rest of the way. I think the hit would be negligible.

While Sheets is not an OF, his familiarity with the position is probably a point in his favor. I've always seen him as a lefty bench bat who doesn't get badly exposed in extended stretches of starting at 1B/DH.

If he does a little more of what he did yesterday for the next 3 weeks, I can see him being his own substantial trade piece.

Giolito was steady as she goes in the home stretch in 2020 and 2021. His 2020 playoff start against Oakland was magnificent. His 2021 against Houston, not so much. Dude's got a history of stepping up when it mattered. Last year's collapse was probably more related to this season's injury problems.

I think people want highly ranked prospects. My broken record comment is, if you're getting top 20 guys, you're buying high. I think Getz will try to get lower ranked guys who need more polish to get a bit more quantity over "quality". He'll maximize the return that way, and some will be frustrated they don't recognize the names.

Sam "Gams" Hale.

WTF are you even talking about?!? You're not even quoting my complete sentence, that's how much of a weasel you are. But I'm glad you were able to find and get that bit of bile out before bedtime. Never go to bed spiteful.

And I'm sorry, but you got me going, now. Fedde - $7.5m. Flexen - $1.75M. Soroka - $3m. $12.25m for 3 pitchers. Fedde's going to bring back a package. Frankie Montas signed with the Reds for $14m + $2m buyout. Dude's just pitching .... okay. So, Getz paid less for an experiment, will net way more in trade from what they fixed up. And you're whining about dumpster diving? I'm guessing you don't like to follow baseball teams that make good decisions. Montas is a guy people were calling for the Sox to sign and flip.

I don't see how any of this proves any point you're trying to make. Getz has made 2 moves I don't like. The Maldonado signing, and the Clevinger signing. Beyond that, it's a rebuild, and pretty much NONE of their prospects were ready. The whole plan was A) Pick up a bunch of pitchers, cheap; B) upgrade the open positions, defensively; C) try to fix the pitchers; D) trade them. They "dumpster dived" a bunch of pitchers. Rich Hill didn't seem to have anything. They sure bailed on Chavez early, but he only seems to have pitched well for the Braves in the last 8 years. They cut bait on Shaw fast, but whatever. They did upgrade their SS, 2B, C and RF defense. They sure did a good job turning Crochet into a starter, signing Fedde, wringing quality starts out of Chris Flexen, fixing Brebbia. If Kopech is finally listening to his pitching coaches, dude could be a fucking monster in the next 3 weeks. Immaculate inning? Hand Kleenex out to the scouts. Seems like there's nothing to hate in a clear rebuilding season. We were talking about 2 pieces to move in the winter - Cease and Robert. They traded Cease, now they have 2 more monsters - Fedde and Crochet. Kopech if this last appearance is for real. So why should I not like the dumpster diving in a clear rebuild? Some guys will hit, some won't. Every. Single. Move. Doesn't have to hit. That one of Fedde, Flexen and Soroka did is a total Win. That last quote of mine actually makes me feel good about my memory. They sent Cannon to AAA, he worked on stuff, and came back better. Win. They tried Keller out. I don't know if they didn't think he would cut it, or didn't have room, but c'est la vie. Win. Yeah, unless Getz trades Colson Montgomery for, I don't know, Joe Kelly - to shore up the bullpen - there really isn't a "bad" move Getz can make in a rebuild year like this. Keep grabbing up guys - try them out - if they don't work, launch them. I really don't understand how you don't grasp any of this, and have to make up BS to rail about all day every day.

AND... Thinking they could offer enough money to allay the objections they may have encountered the entire pitch is probably what lost them Wheeler, and wasted their time. Exactly what you're suggesting they should have done.

Yes, a great deal of the problems were JR first, KW second, then Hahn 3rd. KW had his spies in the clubhouse, and all that. I think Hahn was too cute by half with his contract structures and all. JR has his peccadilloes about what he wants to pay and all, but I do believe that if he had a good GM making good decisions, he'd fund them ... WITHIN HIS OWN PARAMETERS. Jr isn't going to do a 10/$400m contract with a pitcher. He doesn't need to. He did do 5/$75m with Benny. He overpaid. The White Sox used the league's scouting bureau for the draft well into the 90's. I have to think that Hahn didn't thoroughly scout many of the people he signed/traded for (LaRoche, Yonder Alonzo, Brett Lawrie). And Yes, the entire Wheeler debacle was on JR/KW/Hahn, because either they got duped into bidding up Philadelphia's offer, or they just didn't listen to objections. AND THEN they didn't have a quick pivot to a reasonable plan B. There's a lot of blame to go around between JR/KW/Hahn. I just think the notion of piling up money until a baseball player says "yes" is fanciful. Wheeler wasn't coming here. Have you ever been in sales? You catch, at some point, that you're not hooking a client. These people aren't leaving their vendor. They don't like us. They're trying to figure out how to make it themselves from us. Whatever. That part of it is the most damnable part. Not that Jerry wouldn't pay, but they got duped, had their time wasted, wound up with their dicks in their hands, and then had to pick at the remains of a market they let settle out without them.

Understanding the reasoning behind a move isn't a positive/negative paradigm. Eder was promoted to AAA. He's on the 40-man. They gave him a trip to Chicago, made him the "27th man" as a reward for his work, then sent him to Charlotte. Recognizing that isn't "insincere". It's called being a mature adult who can grasp front office thinking. I'm not sure what Brad Keller has to do with this. He was on the team. The usual crew was bitching about it in the usual manner, suggesting that people you would deem "not ready" should get his innings to "learn" at the major league level. I suggested that finding out if they could tweak Keller into a tradeable piece was the most important issue at hand, since he was on the major league roster. But of course, you can't ever seem to remember context, and just make up your own story.