WestEddy

got it. thanks

I'm not catching the meaning of the string title.

Well, these guys are beating and are going to beat the s%*# out of Charlotte the entirety of this week. They develop hitters. Gimme some.

I concur.

That's what I'm thinking. If Gowens goes to AA after the TDL, he's basically on route to maybe hit the bigs in the later half of 2025. If he winds up being a power bullpen arm, and Shuster eats innings during the troubles, I think it's a low level win for the Sox. If something happens with Soroka, all the better. We all hated Bummer. He had weird bad luck. There's certain players that you just can't take the "dog ate my homework" outings anymore.

Do you not see a difference between playing in a Stanley Cup game, and a meaningless baseball game in June for a team 40 games under .500?

Tim Dierkes has a mailbag feature for subscribers of MLBTR. Somebody asked about the Bowden trade proposal of Crochet, Kopech and DeJong to the Dodgers. Lengthy answer - says that any starter is an injury threat, and they'd get more splitting Kopech and Crochet. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/tim-dierkes-mlb-mailbag-francisco-alvarez-hoerner-crochet-and-more.html Looks like Dodgers and White Sox match up well for a deadline trade. Do you think LA has prospect capital and the need to receive Crochet, Kopech, and DeJong from Chicago? Not sure I would want to pay the price for Robert. Steve Adams got into the feasibility of a popular Jim Bowden trade proposal last week that included Robert. If you take Robert out, the plausibility goes way up, because I agree with Steve and putting Robert and Crochet into the same deal seems highly unlikely. I see DeJong as a minor piece of this deal. I was initially dismissive of Kopech as well, but he’s under team control for 2025, throws 99, and has punched out 32.2% of batters faced this year. The Dodgers and other intelligent teams can quite possibly turn him into a very effective reliever. Entering this season, Crochet’s professional career high in innings was 65 in his second year at Tennessee. He’d never started more than six games. At the time of this writing, he’s made 17 starts and pitched 94 1/3 innings. Aside from his Opening Day start, he’s split his outings evenly between having four and five days of rest. Crochet is under team control through 2026. Crochet as a trade candidate is fascinating. At his current pace, he’s in the AL Cy Young mix, which no one saw coming. Given that he’s 29 1/3 innings past his career high halfway through the season, naturally you’d expect his team to use caution. That’s especially true if it remains the White Sox, since they’d either be trying to lock him up or trade him for a king’s ransom. White Sox manager Pedro Grifol put it this way: “We’re going to start dwindling his workload down a little bit, and we’ll manage that correctly. But it’s not something we’re going to put out and say, ‘Here’s what we’re doing,’ because nothing in this game is black and white. He might have five innings where he goes 12 pitches or less and we might let him go six or seven innings, even when we’re trying to minimize his workload. It all depends on what he does.” The Dodgers still have a consensus top ten farm system, and yes, I do think if they put enough 50 or 55 grade prospects or young players into a package they could get Crochet, Kopech, and DeJong from the White Sox. I also think that A) uncoupling Crochet and Kopech probably nets the White Sox a better return and B) competition would be fierce for Crochet even if it’s unclear how much he can give you in the second half. As an aside, there’s not an arm in the Majors for whom I have full confidence of 15 second half starts. So while letting Crochet reach 30 starts and then possibly leaning on him as a #2 playoff starter would seem to carry increased injury risk, I don’t think MLB teams have really cracked this nut. If Crochet were to be limited to 75 pitches per start instead of the 89 he’s averaged this year, is there actual evidence that would benefit him? He’s more likely to get a benefit from pitching on five days rest more often, but again, this is lacking in hard evidence. There’s also the idea, which I put forth when everyone was dogging Tyler Glasnow for his injury history before the season, that Crochet mostly had one major injury, and maybe needed extra time to fully recover from it. And a pandemic and lockout didn’t help pitchers in general. In other words, a pitcher can need Tommy John surgery but not immediately get it, and also not recover in a straight line 18-month period. Such a player might get a reputation for being more injury-prone than he really is once this major surgery is truly behind him. I’m skeptical the White Sox will be good within Crochet’s control window, and if nothing else he seems to carry more injury risk than most. So I still support trading him, though if the offers aren’t reflective of a top of the rotation starter, they shouldn’t make a deal. Similarly, if an extension can be reached that prices in Crochet’s injury risk, that’s worth considering.

happy birthday.

They were certainly lock down today. I would have been glad for them to get their first victory 2 games into the 1st half.

I'll get to that one after you hunt down where P4P read that a 120+ season was planned.

Yes, I said that. Weird how nobody makes fun of the guys who called Fedde garbage, and demanded he be cut in spring training.

There we go. Thank you for not wasting any more of our time. Scouting Lee and Fedde isn't something lucky that dropped out of the sky. Crochet finally being fully healthy isn't magical.

Just like I thought. You are afraid to answer that question. You and SS play argument games about who said what, and "oh that excuse". We've already established that saying "everybody knew" doesn't magically put all three back on the field. It's an argumentative technique to take that reason off the table. We banked on injury prone and mediocre players because.... wait for it... they're under contract. Crazy, huh? I know, in WS2023 fantasyland, you just cut everybody, eat millions upon millions in payroll, and go "get" all the best players and we all live happily ever after. That's a great plan. I'll just keep asking this, and you'll just keep running scared:

They sure screw up those draft picks, didn't they? The only meme-level screw-up I remember was Beckham tackling Gillaspie during a pop-up to the mound. The Astros had dozens of those moments during their 3-year long 110+ loss streak. Guys running into each other during routine groundballs...

The Chicago White Sox don't "work" for me. They are an entertainment option. I am as frustrated with the losing as anybody else, here. I'm actually a pretty cool boss. I worked with my employees to get good results. I didn't make up things to whine all day every day about.

Here's the question you and Southsider won't answer: Are you actually saying that if Yoan, Eloy and Robert stayed healthy and played all the games, and if Benintendi and Vaughn had rebound years and OPSed a passable .700-.750, they'd still be 21-81? I'll leave this here. I'm tired of playing your argument games.

Nope. Try again.

This is the quote I'm responding to from the hysterical one: I'm not reliving yesterday's argument. P4P is making s%*# up to argue against. I believe that's called a strawman.

Hysterical again. LOL. You certainly don't give a flying f*** about facts, or about what people actually think. Run along and keep making up things to be angry and hysterical about. Hysterical P4P is pretty spot on, actually. Have fun with your little game.

See? At this point, you're arguing just to argue. Fletcher wasn't ready, and the Pillar DFA was unfortunate. You don't even really have a point.

Continue to be wrong. It's actually funny.

You get a response to this every time you ask it, then you pretend you didn't and continue to say made up things.

Can you cite one person who has ever said that? You can't. Tell me, can you ride on flying unicorns in this fantasyland of yours?