WestEddy

I could see the Sox airing him out to 120-130 innings, albeit with some missed turns in the rotation and 3 inning outings. Then next year, he pays the piper for a half season, losing a couple clicks and just being a good pitcher.

I actually think selling pot at the ballpark is the light at the end of the tunnel.

But this isn't a guy fresh out of college/AAA, and relatively unknown. The league has already adjusted to him, and he's adjusted back. He's had success, and is now extending that success. The only real unknowns are how he holds up for the duration of 2024, and how he snaps back in 2025.

Is somebody gloating? It was the same discussion in 2016, blowing it up vs. extending the few stars.

He's got his first round money, so Crochet's still set. I could see the deal somebody suggested above, 3/50, or something, lock in the arbitration money, give a little back for the first year of FA, then walk. But that's so short, why would the Sox do it? And, as somebody else asked, why would the Sox encumber a trade with guaranteed money? Guys like Vaughn and Crochet are cheap and low-risk. If they s%*# the bed, non-tender them. Give the option of extending to the trading team.

Are you saying he's not going to play 162 games, or he's not going to hit 30/20? Vaughn punted the first 3-1/2 weeks of the season, and with 2 weeks left in June, has 13 doubles and 9 HRs. If his slump isn't his new normal, he certainly looks like he can hit 30 2Bs and 20 HRs in 2024.

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The guy I responded to is more about mocking any non-negative opinion of this team, and he usually responds mockingly to any notion that any player on this team could have any trade value. So my response is fine, thanks. The trades I listed were for more than the PTBNL. People here were talking about optioning Vaughn, then cutting him in the off-season. If Vaughn's adjustments are real, then he could very well be a serious upgrade over a half dozen first basemen on contending teams. So could Sheets. That's not a controversial take. Yeah, I would love to see Vaughn do what he's been doing for the last 3 weeks over the next 2 years for us. But the reporting is that Getz will trade pretty much anyone on the ML club, right now.

reporter: Frank, how well would you hit against today's pitchers? FT: Oh, probably around .240 reporter: Only .240? FT: Well, I am 56, you durn fool!!

I don't want or need credit. It's just conversation, not a competition. People who should know are throwing Sheets' name around as a TDL target, and if Vaughn is really fixed, and it's sustainable, that's a low-risk acquisition. The problem you have is you keep putting words in my mouth, or you purposefully confuse things out of context. I said the Sox had 15 starting pitching prospects lined up over 3-4 levels, then when pressed, put a list of guys I considered to be starting pitching prospects. I think there was about 23 I considered to be "prospects". And I don't even think it was that long, like, 2 days later Drohan was cut. They have about 30-35 guys who are minor league "starters", so it's not so outrageous to include a guy who has started and had success at AA with Boston. If everybody is going to wail about Matthew Thompson and Luis Rodriguez as "prospects" being traded, then Drohan was a prospect. Drohan's probably just not rosterable this year, and by next, he was going to get lost in the shuffle.

In the last few years, teams in contention pulled off trades like this: 2021 - Brewers sent 2 relievers to Toronto for Rowdy Tellez (.605 OPS) 2022 - Mets sent bullpen arm to Pirates for Dan Vogelbach (.769 OPS) 2023 - Brewers sent minor league starter Justin Jarvis to Mets for Mark Canha (.725 OPS) 1B offense has cratered in the AL this year. Vaughn has 5-6 weeks to solidify himself as a .750 OPS hitter. Sheets has already done so. Until last week, the Red Sox were running Garrett Cooper out there at first. Houston is writing Jon Singleton into the lineup. Again, I'm sure you can make a point without sounding like a circus clown, no matter how silly your point is. All teams have scouts. They don't look up a player on B-R.com, then make a trade based on their stat line. If they feel Sheets' and Vaughn's adjustments are real and repeatable, both have value.

If we're talking about bringing back cooked ex-1B, Konerko would put a few asses in the seats, and he'd hit a little better than Abreu right now.

Nobody's really trading for anybody right now. Teams won't start getting serious about the TDL until after the draft. If Vaughn has finally "figured it out" he can be a cheap plug in. He's got about 5 weeks to show it. Have you seen what some of these .500 teams are running out there at 1B and DH?

There's about 5-6 teams conceivably in a playoff race who could use an upgrade on their 1B. And here we are, sitting on two.

Who cares that they've been outscored by 155 runs? There are certainly a bunch of dudes who love to post the chances of breaking all-time loss records, and when one comes off the board, it's "who fucking cares"? LOL. There's a string on this site to track the shutouts. Did you ask that question there?

The White Sox have been shut out once in the last 41 games.

Speaking of catchers...

Anything I ever read about Ellis pretty much said he would never be promoted, and was not a major league OF. Getz had 4 OFs on the IL at the same time, and Ellis was an emergency call-up.

And then they optioned Chuckie to AAA? Maybe they were running up against a deadline for Robinson's contract?

Shutout once in the last 40 games.

Fedde's owed about half of that.