WestEddy

What are you talking about? Who said "no one could have seen it coming"? Do you even have a point? You seem panicky and desperate.

Not sure what that means. Are you saying that because there's an expectancy of them getting hurt, they weren't actually hurt? This is a feeble attempt to take that "excuse" off the table. Eloy, Yoan and Robert got injured. Regardless of what anybody expected.

Three. Three of their main hitters went down in the first 11 games.

What are you even talking about? Eloy's replacement was sitting on the bench, and has put up better numbers than Eloy since Eloy first went on the IL.

It really isn't. The histrionics here are silly.

Run out of arguments? LOL. Dude, you're pretending I've said something I didn't, which is your M.O. Then you whine that I'm pointing it out. I'm not sure why you're stalking and trolling me. You whine about threads being ruined by your petty BS, then hide them. This is all you.

Nope. I get that pretending to be too stupid to understand what I said is your best argument.

He was still a serviceable reliever in 2022. His 2023 was not good. They banked on what worked for him before that.

I was optimistic. 72 win pace, cratering after the TDL. I guess you're making WS2023 happy. That's something.

He just became a lot more hittable. And his strikeout rate dropped in half from his peak of 2020.

Yeah, I think PoppySox predicted 80 some-odd wins, and he was disappointed when I said 68. I took the others as goofing on it.

I do know the difference. It's the difference between the roster they broke camp with, and the roster they had 11 days into the season. Everybody knew this team would be bad. That's a true statement.

68 wins is not a great team. Are you now going to dig in and argue the phrase "everybody knew" for a few pages? Or do you want to pretend that "everybody knew" that Yoan, Eloy and Robert would all be injured by the 11th game?

I predicted 68 wins, which was pretty optimistic for the site. The injuries to Yoan, Eloy and Robert, coupled with the horrific offensive slump the entire team started out in were the biggest factor, early.

We all knew this was a rebuilding season, and we knew this team was going to be bad. We also all knew the obstacles Getz faced. Bad reputation, cut payroll. JR doesn't want to pay multiple managers. Then the injuries, and the team slump to open the season. Now the bullpen implodes. I don't see the point of pretending that $1.8 million is a huge waste of money on a team with a $135 million payroll. I like the concept of signing a bunch of guys, throwing them out there, cutting those who look finished, then finding more. Fedde, Flexen, Soroka. Two of those guys look like they're tradable. That was the whole point. Nothing matters until the draft, TDL, then the prospect promotions. It's all pretty straight-forward. I don't see how that's "carrying water".

I would guess that if you added up all the money paid to Stassi, Maldonado, Lopez, DeJong, Julks, Pham, Grossman, Pillar, Ortega, Fedde, Flexen, Soroka, Brebbia, Hill, Keller, Clevinger, Leone, Woodford, and Shaw, it would be superseded by the value produced just by DeJong, Julks, Pham, Fedde and Flexen, easily. The people complaining about the wasted money are resolute in complaining about everything. There is no point.

DeJong is playing under his expected defensive abilities, but still better than average.

DeJong's on track for a 30 HR season. There's got to be some value in that.

The corner tavern.

Thorpe will probably deal with Katz much more than Grifol. I've never heard anything bad about Katz and his relationships with pitchers.

Andrew Vaughn is on an 11 game hitting streak. In those 11 games, he's slashing .364/.391/.636