WestEddy

and really, if Ford put out 4 million vehicles, it would be really stupid to say that the production manager doesn't get to take credit for those vehicles, because that's what he's supposed to do. I'm not even defending Chris Getz. I'm defending logic and sanity. You know who came through the system under Getz, and it's relatively easy to find out how involved he and the system he put in place were in their development. It's disingenuous to cloud the waters with BS, then challenge anybody who pushes back on the thick BS to name names, then pretend that Luis Robert went to the Mets, and they developed him on the sly. Or some other BS. Yours is an illogical argument. It's incumbent upon you to prove how every single player who came through the Sox' system from 2017 to 2020 did so despite all of the coaches thrashing about on the ground in convulsions of failure.

Tell me, did the director of player development make the decisions to rush players, putting college starters in the bullpen, first basemen in the outfield? Did the director of player development make the decision to punt on draft rounds 3-10 in order to pull money to catch a high school kid in the 30th round? Did the director of player development trade guys like Fernando Tatis Jr, and such? This is such a stupid conversation. Please, anybody, give the name of one single prospect put into our minor league system who should have been a tip-in, and Chris Getz personally screwed up their development. I will wait for the answer. For a long, long time. Seriously. Type the name of one can't miss prospect who was screwed up by Getz's system. Type the name of one promising prospect who wasn't brought along properly. ONE. TYPE ONE NAME.

I've already done this. Why does it have to be "prospects who exceeded expectations"? Anybody who came through the minor league system was "developed". Luis Robert had to be taught some strike zone judgement. Yoan had to get some aggressiveness. I'm not sure why that's such a hard swallow for everyone. I get it. Everyone hates Getz. That doesn't mean he had no hand in running a system that major league players came through.

And then there's the ones who succeeded because they covered their ears and went, "la-la-la" when Sox coaches tried to coach them, and then they watched YouTube videos and became Luis Robert.

Old friend alert. Baltimore probably paid the same amount the Mets did, but Baltimore's cash is so much better developed. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/04/orioles-acquire-yohan-ramirez-from-mets.html

He has the value of a pitcher who can contribute all of 2025, as opposed to a guy who has reached his innings limit for 2024. And of course Getz would want the receiving team to pay for August, September and October Crochet, regardless of how useful he'd be.

Exactly.

I'd think the Sox would request that Crochet not be picked, or used, due to his innings limit. In which case, Kopech, or if, for some reason, other weirdness in the AL happens, I could see something crazy, like Sheets continuing to just hit, and the AL needing a 1B/DH.

Sure. I guess my weakness is I find it insulting when somebody tries to bully you into agreeing to something that is fundamentally untrue. Then my inner-internet bro-dude kicks in, and I don't let it go. And if I dig in on, "they're not just going to cut half their bullpen because you're sad", I'm a Chris Getz burner account. Most of the time, I'm not even defending anybody, just stating a simple fact.

Have they announced starters for the Cincinnati series? I would think Flexen, Crochet and TBA. Shuster threw 3 in the bullpen game, so he lines up.

I still don't understand what you're trying to bet on, here. You asked me to define a moderately productive season for Sheets, and I answered that if he put up 1.5-2 WAR, I would consider that moderately productive. There's nothing to bet on.

He should have been let go right after last season. He wasn't. Getz should have been allowed to go in a different direction this season. Maybe Getz was given the option with JR's preferences laid out for him, and Getz figured he'd save that mulligan, and let Grifol absorb all the losses of a poorly assembled roster (from previous), and let his preferred manager start with a better roster to manage. There seems to be a difference between last year and this year with younger guys getting playing time, and changing the batting order up. Maybe Getz has put forward some directives, and Grifol's following.

I'm not remembering the exact roster construction that day, but the team is limited to 13 pitchers on their roster at any time until Sept 1, then they can have 14. edit - Oh, I see the Shuster part. I think a team is also limited to how many times they can send a player down to the minors, also. I've read that Shuster will get the next 5th starter slot, but I'm not sure.

If we're going to acknowledge that Grifol has some baseball knowledge, and isn't a drooling moron, we could probably also recognize that Getz is operating under certain constraints we won't be privy to. They were both dealt a s%*# hand, Grifol more than Getz, and they're dealing with it. I don't remember a single manager in my lifetime that was generally accepted as competent by the vocal fanbase. And you know, penny wise, pound foolish still works when you collect 100 billion pennies.

I'm not a Grifol fan. I don't watch every game, but it's funny how, coming out of the negative echo chamber, here, and reentering reality, I actually thought yesterday was a pretty well managed game. Some moves worked great, some didn't. That's baseball. I honestly don't understand the people who have to crap all over those who just want to enjoy the game, then talk about it.

Uh, yes, I'm "chicken" to make any binding bet with a guy whose goalposts are always moving, and doesn't even know the definition of words. Why don't you post your casino bet ticket at the value of your house that the Sox won't cover the over on 42 wins? You love to pretend you're the baseball savant. go bet the money, and post a copy of your ticket. Otherwise, STFU. i will not be joining you, as I'm not a moron, and don't sports bet.

It's weird that nobody's taking "ban bets" on the "Oh noes!! The White Sox won't win 30 games." Or even the "historically bad" statements. Y'all engage in hyperbole every single day. Please show the tickets where you put up your house for the Sox to not exceed 42 wins. That would give any of the braying idiots any credibility.

I don't bet. I'm not sure why I would commit to some outcome based on a "if this guy does this, then..." statement. Do you bet a lot? I'm guessing you do.

Dude, every single baseball player doesn't need to be A-Rod in his prime. Sheets won't get starter at-bats, but if he puts up 1.5-2 bWAR this season, that's great. Daniel Vogelbach is a comparison, and we'll never sniff the money he's made hitting a home run every now and then. That aside, Sheets is probably a way better overall hitter and athlete than Vogelbach ever dreamed of being.

It's an actual thing. That's why pitching coaches are so stingy about who they want to get up and warm up. Have you read Ball Four? Teams didn't understand knuckleballs. Bouton needed practice throwing a knuckler, and the pitching coaches wouldn't give him baseballs, because they didn't want him to wear out.

And then you will continue to post from your 0 pWAR (posting WAR) hot streak about it, and even when he ends up with a moderately productive season, you'll still lie about it and pretend he hijacked the team plane and crashed it. I need a buzz. Pepsi, Monster, Red Bull all work. Hurry up. They're talking about higher powers.

Whaaa? Jose Valentin was well above average major leaguer in 4 of his 5 season on the Sox. Are you saying you don't want Gavin Sheets to become a very productive player on the Sox?

So you're saying that our future 1st-baseman should be Andrew Vaughn? Blink twice if this is a yes.

We're all just enjoying the 3-hit night. Sounds like you need a congressman with an armed escort to fly down to where you're stationed.

You know that relievers go through a whole routine of warming up, right? Like if they warm up, it's like they pitched?