WestEddy

Dude, seriously, cut the BS. You also don't know that "by all evidence, he didn't do what he was accused of". By all the evidence, MLB decided they didn't want to pursue further discipline. Clevinger could still be an incredibly selfish and shitty human being, and still not clear the bar for banishment.

Their investigation wasn't about proving Clevinger "guilty". It was to see if his actions exceeded their threshold for discipline.

Too many guys are too comfortable pretending that a victim of abuse testifying under oath isn't evidence.

I agree with most of what you say about the White Sox, but Clevinger is truly a selfish POS. He doesn't deserve "due process". He's not in the criminal justice system. He's had the privilege of playing MLB baseball. He has put his teammates health and well being in danger, at the very minimum. He's also been accused of abusive behavior towards his children and their mothers. And MLB's investigation wasn't conducted to find out if he was "guilty" of what his baby mamas were accusing him of. It was conducted to see if they should suspend him for conduct.

There seems to be a general dissatisfaction across the industry. Lots of bodies for lots of slots.

Tim Anderson's out-of-wedlock baby actually had some of Monty's DNA?

Eloy says the Orioles were short a bat.

Hey, the Tigers and Royals advance. Maybe the Sox were just being throttled by two juggernauts all year. Maybe the Orioles could have used a hitter.

If you DFA him, you're still paying $6 million. If they moved Korey Lee to 1B and gave him 600+ PAs, he'd hit 20 HRs. The more comments I read, the more I look at B-R.com. The more I see there, I am further sold that Vaughn is Gaughn. On top of that, I seriously think the league is suppressing salaries by everyone cutting payroll. In that austere environment, Vaughn needs to be cut to be paid market rate.

Sorry, my response was more tangential. A guy like Marcus Semien probably would have been a bad 2B who hit some, for us. Fully developed in Oakland. I don't think there's any hope for Vaughn here, right now. I don't think there's any hope for him elsewhere, unless some other team decides to give him a swift kick.

Offseason baseball hitting labs exist. Unless Vaughn was being told to stay away from that "voodoo garbage", he had every opportunity to hit the ground running in a position that was clearly going to be handed to him this season. Coming out of the last weekend in May, he looked like a sure DFA.

Grady's banked around $30 million in his career, so I don't think the money's an issue. I agree with Grady taking the opportunity to gain experience, but I never thought Robin Ventura would be a horrible manager. Maybe the organization's so dysfunctional, either the bad decisions start pouring out, or good logic turns to sh*t when the whole team's being jerked around.

I just came back to mention Brandon Belt. Dude sat out all year. His 2023 certainly was better than Josh Bell and Rowdy Tellez. Maybe he's asking for the moon. More realistic is that teams are squelching payrolls in a league effort. If Belt couldn't get paid with what teams were running out there, I doubt Vaughn gets that $6+ million arb.

They could probably DFA both, and Colas/Elko would give them exactly what Vaughn/Sheets did.

They made a big deal this preseason, showing Vaughn talking with Konerko, and Konerko basically telling Vaughn, "This is your make or break year". With all that fanfare, Vaughn clocked in as a replacement player. I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping him, but I could also see a DFA for Vaughn, and a Sheets/Elko platoon. It would be nice for them to not rebreak the loss record.

Point being that "winning" doesn't bestow wisdom. "Konerko" is a one-word joke about the type of profile Reinsdorf would hire as the next Sox manager.

I don't think "aw, he's an old man, leave him alone", I just don't see the point. If he's still sharp, he'll evade any "hard hitting" questions. Does anybody think that Mike North is going to make him start crying and admit to pulling the plug on Manny Machado because he was scared, or something? No (and I think you or bmags said this earlier), the worst or best thing to come out of that is Reinsdorf naming Kurt Bevacqua as his favorite, ideal player, or whatnot, for everyone to scream about for another 12 months. Reinsdorf won't offer any convincing promise of a new path of hirings and investments in development, he's not going to walk us through a PowerPoint, or any of that. All he can do is say that his trust is in Getz, and for Getz to walk everyone through the moves he's making. Nobody will believe anything until people are in place, and even then, until those people start making sensible decisions that have real world results. And even then, it will only be when we see a good, deep run into the playoffs with a young team that the calls for Reinsdorf to die will start getting drowned out.

Which is why I don't care about the letter one way or the other, and look forward to these changes he's talking about.

I'm not citing Buster Posey like that's a good example that mirrors Chris Getz' ascension. I'm not seeing much reaction that calls this a genius move. Aubrey Huff has done a lot of winning, too.

A more truthful press conference might sound like: "I'm getting older, and I don't want to not recognize anybody in the front office as I get even older. Therefore, I am going to only hire people I can remember." I'm not sure that would go over any better.

Of course, if they fired everyone, hired all the best people, they'd be on a better track for success.

I really believe the first paragraph of mine you quoted, and I think I've always believed that. I understand people hating the idea of Chris Getz, and not being receptive to a Chris Getz rebuild. Reinsdorf betrayed the fanbase in 94, made an incredibly stupid comment in 97, then groused about the state of the game since then. He should have sold after 2005 and gone out on top, because his attitudes were outdated then. Buster Posey was just named President of baseball operations for the Giants after 2 years of being in the ownership group. That's a lot less practical experience than Getz had when gifted his current position. I'm not arguing that Getz was the best person on the planet for that job, but owners do that.

If a new owner took the keys on November 1, 2023, fired everyone down to the peanut vendors, and started over from scratch, I don't believe they would be much further along than now. I think Getz is doing a pretty thorough overhaul. Mike Shirley might be the only guy who deserves to stay. I think 2024 had to happen on some level. Hostetler and Paddy didn't keep a steady stream of prospects coming. Maybe Getz didn't develop what he got, or didn't get modern resources. I can't imagine that Hahn/KW were trying to force stats info, hitting and pitching labs and competent coaches on Getz, and he fought to keep all that stuff out of his development program. What seems to be borne out from subsequent events is that Getz wanted modernization, and didn't get it. I agree that JR is the problem, but this is the situation that exists. I'm not going to write a scathing comment that makes JR sell. So I prefer to just wait and see what transpires from the conditions that are kind of set in stone right now.

The core problem with JR is he believes he has all the answers. If only he pounds *his way* harder into that round hole, it will work, this time. I also believe the White Sox front office is his gentleman's club, where he goes to smoke cigars and commiserate. He's too old to hire the newest, brightest GM candidate who will clean house, and rebuild the "right" way. He doesn't want to spend his final days not recognizing anybody in the office. I see no evidence that Reinsdorf thought Getz would have the Sox competitive in 2024. My take is that JR thought Getz could cut out a year of whatever. Using this site as a barometer, I don't think there was any buy-in to Getz making a re-tool go faster. People were commenting that we're 5 years away from a winning record, regardless. Sure, maybe most thought JR believed that, but nobody was reassured by that sentence.