WestEddy

You're not disagreeing. You're denying that any of these three pitchers have any business being on a baseball field. Oh, a guy pitched in Korea. That means he will fail miserably. That's childish. I get it. The negativity gets likes. I already see a therapist, I don't need your dime store palm-reading. If you need everybody you encounter to prove to you why they like "things", maybe you should be talking to a professional, too. Not everybody watches a baseball team because they need world championships to buck up their own self-image. Take your own advice. Why do you need to chase down and tackle people who want to be positive about this team? Do you think you're saving them from something? Do you think grown adults don't know that when watching a sports team, their own life's success isn't dictated by a bunch of dudes in tights throwing a ball around?

My point is that normal people don't want to take their kids to a place where they will be rooting for an abusive jerk. Some things are more important than meaningless innings pitched.

It's ridiculous I have to spell this all for you. Soroka was a top 25 prospect in the game. Dude had pedigree. Great numbers coming up through the minors. The ROY-2 season. I don't care that you don't have the ability to understand that players come back from injuries. This whole site mourned the trade of Jake Burger who was written off for dead, and yet another success in the Jerry Reinsdorf failure machine. Jake Peavy came back and had a dominant year after a "career-ending" injury. Your loss. I'm not sure what you're doing here. Well, I recognize the "I'm really smart because I can echo all the negativity here" vibes. What's your end game? To turn me into a whiner zombie? To prove that there's no point in watching sports because everybody fails, so be bro-dude and go bankrupt on FanZone? I've already given you my outlook. I don't have to "prove" it to you. I don't care if you subscribe to it. I'm not going to stop anybody from the daily deluge of dour they vomit onto the intertubes. I don't even remember where this particular back and forth began. I'm interested in Getz's approach and will root for it. You can root for failure.

Thank you. I didn't have a picture of the lineup card from Twitter to post, so I had to write something. I know it's only the Trout-less Angels, but he's looking good through 4.

Soroka on the bump, trying to win that opening day start.

Why are you using fWAR? I thought you said repeatedly that it heavily weights FIP.

What are you even talking about? Yes, Soroka had a very good season before his injury. So good that he finished 2nd in ROY voting. He put up 4.6 bWAR, so yes, you have seen that from him. Chris Flexen went to Korea, reinvented himself, then came back to put up 3.4 bWAR for Seattle in 2021. Maybe you just started following the baseball this year, so I apologize if you weren't aware of these two players' previous success. Data. The level of KBO baseball would slot in somewhere between AA and AAA. Fedde just won the equivalent of their MVP and Cy Young awards. No, that's nothing like the 1.5 bWAR he put up for the Nationals in 2020 shortened season, but it is success on the level of a guy blowing away AA and AAA hitters. You're using absolutes, like "haven't seen", "have done nothing", and "do not have any recent track record". So I can only surmise that, yes, you are arguing that it isn't possible that any of these three pitchers will ever find MLB success. You have proclaimed at numerous times they will be bad. Not "have the possibility of being bad", but that they will be bad. Historically bad. Again, you haven't addressed my argument except to incorrectly state that none of these three pitchers have had any recent MLB success, which is untrue. I understand your need to pretend that none of them have ever thrown a strike, or enjoyed a good outing in their lives. It would make your feeble argument unravel. Well, it would be like a mish mash of yarn that was never raveled in the first place. So, my assertion still stands as factually correct. Pitchers who have had recent success in MLB can come back from injury, or make adjustments to find success again. Flexen, Soroka and Fedde certainly fall into this category. I accept your apology.

I did provide a salient argument. Players having had success at the major league level have a chance to repeat or exceed that success, either by making adjustments, coming back from injury, etc. You haven't proven me wrong, you just choose to whine about very apt metaphors and to engage in pointless name-calling. Not unexpected. You haven't addressed my argument, so until you do, I'll just assume you can't.

The really weird thing is that when people here regularly spout off that this team could lose more games than the '62 Mets (120), I don't see a crowd chase them down and angrily challenge them to describe exactly how that would happen, since it would be extremely hard for a team to be that bad. And to state this team will set the losses record is equally as ridiculous as saying this team could catch fire and win the World Series.

Ho-hum. Are you trying to cheer yourself up? So basically, by your own rules, no pitcher in the minor leagues will ever be good, because they have "no track record of success" in the majors. Guys come back from injury. They learn a new approach or mechanics. I'm not sure what your point is. If you think this team sucks so bad, don't watch. You must be a family favorite at the holidays, arguing with everyone that they're going to die one day, and there's no escape.

Flexen, Soroka and Fedde do have track records of success. It's weird that you're not one of the guys who argued that Dylan Cease will never be better than a 4.5 ERA pitcher, because that is what he just was. I'm not arguing that we will have 5 Cy Young competitors in the rotation. But it's not the level of badness the dour here try to pretend it's going to be.

Lynn sucked. Kopech sucked. I think everyone has forgotten the wonder of Ureña, Scholtens, Toussaint 3, 4 & 5 in the rotation.

Well, then, I missed a page, and reacted to your post. Long night.

This is a ridiculous exaggeration. Luis Robert isn't an MLB piece. Got it. Eloy raking isn't an MLB piece. got it. A healthy Yoan isn't an MLB piece. check.

I gave it a B. A thing we complained about with Hahn was he was mesmerized by rankings. If you're trading for a top 10 guy, you're buying high. The good deals come from being able to scout the "just missed top 100" guys who will ascend with a bullet by July. I think they got a solid rotation guy, this year's closer or late innings guy they could trade at the break, future CF and another Berroa type arm to work with. Could start, could close. The market's changed. Cease wasn't consistent enough to get 2 top 20 guys.

The Padre podcast guys kind of got close on this. Thorpe, Zavala, Irierte instead of Mazur, and wilson instead of the utility guy.

I think it's the only Dylan Cease he could be. He's a pitcher who will give you production within a range. Ceiling is a Cy Young pedigree. Floor is a slightly better than average MLB starter. It's more about moving him and not chancing an injury.

Once they outright Pedro Grifol to Winston-Salem as 1st base coach, he'll fix Zavala's @ss.

That development system turned a high school shortstop into a top ten in the game prospect. Ramos came out of no where. Pallette and the highly lauded (here) Mena were also developed from the ground up. I've got no problem with our development.

Maybe in the coming weeks, we'll get a taste of what the Giants and Yankees were offering, if at all.

Yeah, but like Baltimore prospects, you have to divide San Diego's rankings by 10. A #85 prospect is really like a #8.5 prospect because they're developed so well.

I think you and Balta were both saying the league would have to see Cease pitch to know if he was 2022 or 2023 Dylan Cease. They did, and we got a haul. Everybody's right.

Unless Getz is so damn crafty, he made the call, knowing the agent would contact his mouthpiece in the press, and get the whole league in a tizzy.

...And now the feed is gone. No GameCast.