SoxBlanco
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6 minutes ago, Baron said:
His UZR from Bill James is about -5 to -9. His DRS over a full season translates to about -10/-11. Fangraphs overall for his career (290 Total innings) is -1.3. DRS is -5. It's not trending in a good direction for such a small amount of innings.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Are those outfield metrics? Maybe I just don't follow what you're saying, but we're talking about 1B here.
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2 minutes ago, Baron said:
Fine....yes that's an interesting way of putting poor to bad. His DRS over a full season is going to be really fun to look at.
Didn't you want Abreu gone everytime he came up for contract?
What is your evidence for claiming Vaughn's 1B defense is poor/bad?
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38 minutes ago, poppysox said:
In my view JR has spent adequate money over the years to produce many good seasons. The FO which includes JR has spent the money in foolish ways is the problem. The contracts to Leury and Kelly are recent examples of dumb money being spent. A billionaire hobbyist is a better owner type to have in today's baseball environment than an ownership group. However, plenty of teams have done well by running a well-managed front office. In all probability...JR has had too much hands on with the day-to-day player decisions.
You're not wrong. The FO has spent a lot of foolish money, which really hurts when you have a tight budget.
But the fact that there are teams throwing out HUGE contracts while we are figuring out ways to get creative with trades and hopeful bounce-back candidates because we have to stay at this strict budget of $185M (or whatever it is) is ridiculous. Hahn deserves blame, but JR is the bigger problem by a mile, in my opinion.
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2 hours ago, ron883 said:
We all know what needs to happen, we just aren't supposed to say it
Yep. We need JR to di…scover how much he is handcuffing this team and just sell.
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Just now, fathom said:
I watched his highlights from 2022 and something stood out…he crushed Dylan Bundy!
Well that would be a nice change. Seemed like Bundy was getting rocked by the rest of the league and then consistently shutting down the Sox.
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2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
Sounds like he has started, but has come on stronger as a reliever.
I was making fun of the blurb because it said the exact same thing in back to back sentences.
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37 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
Has he only come out of the pen? Or has he also started? Tough to tell from that blurb.
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3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:
It's possible to squint and see a path where the Sox end up with Glebyr & use some of the savings from that deal to sign Nimmo, but it's the White Sox so of course nothing like that will ever happen
This was my thought exactly. If they trade Liam for Glebry and then sign Nimmo, the payroll would be around $180M.
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
By Correa, you mean Andrus
I wonder how most people would feel about trading TA, signing Andrus, and then signing Nimmo.
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I've had a weird feeling since the season ended that we might trade Anderson.
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6 hours ago, Timmy U said:
If the Sox are serious about being “in their competitive window,” you would not trade Gio unless you got a haul.
What if you truly believe Quintana will have a better season than Giolito (and you knew you could sign Quintana)? Then you wouldn’t even need a haul.
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14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Just looking at Spotrac, it is absent in the 2023 payroll but the $5M figure is factored in 2022.
Thanks. So are we at around $164M for 2023 right now? If so, that’s much a much better position than I thought we’d be after filling out the rotation.
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7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Not bad use of the AJ Pollock money saved for 2023.
Good call. What was the verdict on Pollock’s $5M? Is that counting toward the 2023 payroll?
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4 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:
Do you honestly think the White Sox are going to sign a free agent to a contract over 100 million $ this off season?
No. I don’t. This conversation started because Sarava said he would trade Vaughn and Montgomery for Reynolds and then sign Bell to play 1B.
My point was that IF we were willing to spend money on Bell after that hypothetical trade, then we should just sign Nimmo and keep Vaughn and Montgomery.
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55 minutes ago, Sarava said:
20 mil or slightly over. Reynolds contract is cheap, which is all the more reason his value will sore high. But more important as far as our budget-minded owner is concerned, nowhere near as long of a commitment as Nimmo will demand.
Isn’t that approximately what Vaughn and Nimmo will make in 2023 also?
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29 minutes ago, Sarava said:
I would go #2 because of keeping Montgomery. But Jerry isn't spending the cash to sign Nimmo, so that's a moot point. I'm assuming Bell would be significantly cheaper.
What do you think the combined salary will be for Reynolds and Bell in 2023?
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1 hour ago, Sarava said:
He checks all the boxes for what this team needs. Power, on base, good defense, can mash RH pitching. If you could pull off a trade that doesn't include Colas, the Sox could have a potential monster outfield of Colas, Robert and Reynolds.
At this point - why not, if you could pull that off, which you probably couldn't? The time to go for it is now. This team probably won't be all that great several years from now. Put all chips in and see where it goes.
But then you suggested signing Josh Bell to replace Vaughn. If we’re willing to spend, then just sign Nimmo. Which option would you rather have?
1. Reynolds OF, Bell 1B, no Montgomery in the system
2. Nimmo OF, Vaughn 1B, Montgomery still in the system
I would take option 2, and it’s not particularly close in my opinion.
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59 minutes ago, Sarava said:
I would be ok with this as a base for an offer. As long as Jerry is willing to spend more money. Because then he needs to pay a 1B like Josh Bell.
What am I missing with Reynolds? There’s not a chance in hell I’m giving up Vaughn and Montgomery for him.
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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:
The big thing with Gio is he has been very durable (*knock on wood*) during his major league career (although I appreciate he has already had TJ). The list of guys who are on the market with Gio's pedigree, age and relative reasonable contract is small.
I would say if he were on the market - he is getting > 1yr 20M (yet his contract will be less than that - telling me he is definitely a surplus asset despite the 1 year deal). He is also widely thought of as a strong clubhouse guy, etc.
Agreed. I think Giolito is a bargain at $10M. The only way you trade him is if you think there’s a free agent available for under $15M that you think will outproduce Giolito.
I believe that Lucas will rebound nicely heading into a contract year, so I’m not hoping they trade him. But I’m not a scout. If a scout told me that Lucas is toast and he’ll never be close to the same pitcher he was in 2019, it’d be tough to argue after last year’s performance. Yes, the defense let him down a lot, but even just using the eye test, he looked horrible at times.
So am I hoping Lucas is traded? No. But if we did trade him, I would 100% understand the move. -
44 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
If teams believed that, then wouldn't Manaea get substantially more than Giolito in free agency?
Believed what? I didn’t say Manaea is definitely better than Giolito, so I’m not sure why you would say “substantially more”.
If Giolito has another year like last year, he won’t get much in free agency after 2023.
But Manaea is coming off a down year also, so he won’t get a big contract either.
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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Isn't "being in the hunt for the division" part of the point? So why are we downgrading the starting rotation?
You make the trade if you don't think you are downgrading the rotation. It's not crazy to think someone like Manaea pitches better than Giolito next year.
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42 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
So first, it is still entirely possible that if Giolito has a better first half, he could be worth more at the trade deadline.
Problem with that is if Giolito has a solid first half, we aren't going to want to trade him for two reasons:
1. We will likely be in the hunt for the division.
2. We can't simply sign a free agent to round out the rotation like we can now.
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9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Things are never worse than you thought they were going to be. Stop kidding yourself.
That's true. If things ended up like he expected, there still wouldn't be any games being played because of Covid.
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I'll predict a three-team trade. The return won't be exciting, but it will allow us to free up some money to sign an outfielder.
Your 2023 Off-Season Plan
in Pale Hose Talk
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Jose was terrible to start, then improved, and then it seemed like he was bad again last year. I'm simply using the eye test, but I recall multiple instances of him just dropping the ball on a throw not in the dirt.