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Sh*t But... I feel like we'll get to Lester second time through

That would be nice

Damn. Yolmer just got under that

Whoa... I looked down when Russell fielded that. Thanks dude

Yeah, you're right. I'm just nervous with this game for some reason. I want it too badly

Come on... double play ball

Giolito does not look particularly sharp and I really want him to have a good outing vs the Cubs.

I am happy to get that called 3rd strike... but man... this zone is all over the place to this point.

And there's the inevitable Barrett/AJ mention.

I would have liked Eloy as well.

I was laughing at AJ claiming McCann's reply to Baez as "trying to get in his head". Nah, James is just a super polite guy and was simply agreeing with Baez about the shadows being weird today. lol. Guarantee it.

A clean inning from Lucas in the 2nd is paramount.

Yeah, same feelings... I get losing it in the sun, but he's so f'ing nonchalant out there. It always looks like he's going half-speed. I don't get it.

WAR is a far more relevant stat because it removes the contrasts in playing style and demonstrates overall, raw contribution. I also brought up batting average. Because... ya know... you did. Before you conveniently decided it wasn't in your best interest. offensively he's never going to put up the numbers Rios did and that's a statistical fact Wrong. He'll never put up the power numbers. This year, he IS contributing more than Rios did in every single solitary season, besides one. And (again) he's more valuable defensively. All you can do in this argument is hide behind Rios's home runs. Which is like using Micheal Vick's rushing yards as a QB to say he's better than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

That's silly. Leury isn't in the lineup to hit for power and he's a lead-off man. Not to mention, he's a lead-off man in a lineup where the bottom of the order is a deserted wasteland of offensive production. Very rarely does he come up with RISP. You can't compare numbers like that. It's like saying "when Tony Gwynn hits home runs and drives in runs like Albert Belle... I'll agree with you that he's a better player". Tony Gwynn didn't have to do that. (And no... that's not comparing Leury to Gwynn. I don't think I even have to say that, but you never know) Right now, he's on pace to have nearly as good of a year as Rios ever did offensively and he's far more valuable offensively. You're cherry picking numbers that favor Rios. That's not how this works. I mean, what happened to batting average? Your brought that up in your prior post. But oops.... Leury is hitting over .300 this year. So, it didn't fit your narrative to bring that up. Did it? lol By the way, this all ignores the main purpose of that trade. We won that deal because Leury is still giving us value and could for a while. Where as Rios's value with us was depleted anyway when we weren't competing, he was at the end of his career/contract and we traded him.

I watched Verlander that entire season (I live in Detroit). He never looked done. He was pitching through a hamstring issue. He looked like a guy who was pitching hurt. It was very different. A lot of people speculated that he may break out when he got healthy and went elsewhere. Also, again... The Hamels, Verlander talk. You guys are bringing up the rare exceptions. That's not what you base your rationale around for trades.

I understand your argument, I do. However, I don't tend to construct my rationale for trades based around the rare exceptions like Hamels. With most pitchers, when they're finished... they stay finished. For every one Cole Hamels, there's a hundred James Shields. It's very rare that a pitcher experiences the rapid turnaround that Hamels did at age 34.

They're all flip trades. You're flipping a veteran piece to a contender for prospects. Some hit, some don't. Just because the Q, Sale and Eaton trades involved higher value players doesn't change the principle. Yes, when you flip a less valuable player. You receive less in compensation. Therefore, you're less likely to land a guy who turns out to be a key contributor to the big league club. So, yeah... you're less likely to have a player become a household name that you received in a low profile trade. It's no different than a high draft pick versus a low one. However, as mentioned, we also got Leury for Rios. So, these lower profile trades can create value for us. If the Robertson/Kahnle/Frazier trade had resulted in Rutherford being a stud (jury still technically out) would you refer to that as a "different from a flip" trade as well? Now that Rutherford has disappointed in the White Sox farm system, you probably refer to that as a "flip". This isn't a buffet. The idea is the same in all of these deals.

Alex's WAR was -0.6, 3.3, -1.9, 4.8 and 1.3 in his seasons with the White Sox. Leury is looking at a 3+ WAR this season and can play respectable D anywhere on the diamond. Only once in 5 seasons was Alex producing more offensively than Leury. He also isn't a "me first" asshole. Give me Leury.

Jesus. lol. I am definitely a Jose fan, but the guy is about to be 33 and has clearly demonstrated a slight drop off the past two seasons. Not only are we entertaining the idea of paying a declining player 13 mil per, for 3 years until he's 36 years old. We're talking about our plans for AFTER that too?

Anti-sabers have to do this in order to justify their ridiculous beliefs. Beliefs which go against the baseball establishment. You know, real general managers, scouts and the MLB. See how easy that was? Yes, you are the equivalent of an "anti-vaxxer" and your arguments against it are eerily parallel.

Well, this isn't a knock at Leury, but Castellanos hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire swinging the bat this season. He's gotten going a little bit lately after a really poor first couple of months. He's been getting on-base at a real nice clip, which has salvaged his season to this point. I'm just pointing out that it's not really a superstar comparison. Castellanos also has an OPS 82 points higher. 18 points better in OPS+.

When did Eaton and Quintana become elite?

It seems like if he can manage the 1st inning okay, he keeps a seemingly solid outing together until the 5th. Then, his command just falls off the face of the planet.

You're just wrong Ah, yes. This is how we know we're getting somewhere in an internet sports discussion. Is this where I drop the proverbial "I know you are, but what am I?" line? There's clearly some arms available if they HAD to go. However, the majority did pitch yesterday, we have a grand total of ONE who did not (I believe). COULD they go 15 innings in 2 days? Lol, sure... I guess. But you certainly don't want that. If you do not believe that every team has days where they have to ask a pitcher to do more than usual in order to help the bullpen out... Then we really don't have much to talk about here. Did you not see what the Twins asked of Berrios due to their bullpen a few days ago? They hung him out to dry worse than Lopez Honestly, this stuff is elementary and there's no point in even arguing about it. The situation today was obvious and basic. But b*tching about a manager non-stop makes baseball fans feel smart... so...