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If Ozuna really is gonna be the DH, if they are able to trade for Joc for RF that would be a hell of an offensive lineup.

This suggests Vaughn is on the block for a pitcher. If Ozuna is DH presumably for several years, Jose has to stay at 1B. Dammit. This is so stupid. Leave prime prospects alone. Wheeler's wife is literally wrecking the rebuild.

That sounds scary as heck. Sounds like Vaughn or someone big but not Robert obviously. I'd be so pissed. You don't cannibalize the fruits of rebuild to get a pitcher. It's self defeating. Just spend some damn money or take on a bad contract as the main compensation in a trade.

That's certainly a possibility. If they can lock in Ryu or whomever for a certain price they may know how much flexibility they have at RF, although we've been told we have "unprecedented financial flexibility" and our current payroll is still south of 90m so this line still has the stench of incompetence and or penny pinching. IMO they should still be able to work on multiple tracks at the same time.

Apparently we aren't able to walk and chew gum at the same time if Heyman is to be believed. Although perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

3/45 would be great....I think that is likely too optimistic tho. Even 3/50 for him and 3/60 for Ryu would be a combined cost of less than Wheeler and there would be no long term impact on the books.

Yeah that would hurt....that would be too much even tho I really want Joc. Perhaps the Dodgers want alot for him because maybe they want to keep all their trade chips for a large volume offer to Cleveland for Lindor, although I assume a Cleveland team wanting to rebuild wouldn't have much use for a slugger on a 1 year deal (or 2 years with the QO). I wonder if Kelvin Herrera, Fulmer and Bernardo Flores would work. Hopefully the Ozuna rumor will sour the Dodgers into being reasonable.

New article.....I think his exact words are sources say no indication of an imminent agreement.

Fegan is saying his sources deny any agreement with Ozuna has been reached.

If it's true that Wheeler's money is going to Ryu and Ozuna, that's prolly 6 wins. This is a high 80s win team, IMO.

Ofcourse he will play the control card, but that doesn't change the fact that absent injury there's no reason to think he won't be in Chicago at latest by early 2021 and realistically he should be MLB ready by late 2020.

We don't want them to try to spend, we want them to actually spend. They can easily afford a 3/60 deal for Ryu. They could also get creative and "spend" by getting a cost controlled proven 2/3 pitcher thru offering a combination of absorbing a bad contract and some lesser mid level prospects rather than doing something stupid like trading Vaughn.

I disagree. Vaughn is ahead of where Madrigal was at the same respective point last year in terms of WRC+ in A and A+. I think you can put his name at 1B in permanent marker. It would be beyond pathetic if they were forced to trade him for a SP. Just spend some damn money.

4/60.

I wonder if the Sox are putting this out there to get the Dodgers to accept their offer on Joc.

I don't think anyone is expecting that by he is projected for a hair over 3 WAR next year. If he can give us three 3 WAR seasons that would be fine at at a salary around 17m a year.

We'd prolly be right at 125m payroll wise with Ryu and Ozuna. I think we are at 86 or so right now.

Yeah I also got the distinct impression it was Ryu. Who knows maybe it's both. If the Sox put 125m on the table for Wheeler, they could probably get both Ozuna and Ryu for the same combined dollars (or perhaps a bit more). 3/60 for Ryu and maybe 4/65 for Ozuna?

Looking at his splits, even though he's a RHH he hits like a LHH in that he's much better vs righties than lefties. He had an abnormally low babip so perhaps they are counting on positive regression as well. I still don't see how he fits in the OF though. He isn't a competent RF and there's no place for Eloy except DH if Ozuna is in left (we would still have a RF hole to fill). Unless Hahn is officially giving up on Eloy as a fielder, is gonna put Ozuna in left, still trade a bullpen piece for Joc in RF and then trade all the minor league OFers in a quantity based package for a pitcher.

Poor fit. Can't play RF and another RHH. No!

Yeah Bruce implying Ryu by the sound of it.

The Cubs need to shed salary for Baez and Bryant extensions, right? So why would Darvish cost alot in other assets? I mean besides the political aspect where Theo can't look like he's getting fleeced by Hahn again.

I would hope they would have learned from last year not to be stunned by anything and to always have some contingency plans, but who knows. Rabbit said like a week or so ago they were working on alot of possible trade things, I would assume some of them involved pitchers of Wheeler fell thru. If BOS is willing to eat half of the 150 they owe Sale, I'd definitely take him back if he passed our medical exam for the elbow. I heard he gets along fine with Rick it's just KW he doesn't like.

I expect Hahn to find a suitable 2/3 type pitcher. It shouldn't be Madbum. It shouldn't be Ryu on a 4 year deal. Keuchel isn't a 2/3. That the FA market is out of options isn't our problem. If you know going in you can't go for the top two you need a reasonable plan if your top guy goes elsewhere and the others are flawed. And said reasonable plan cannot include dealing away key pieces or prospects in the rebuild. Figure it out. Get a three way trade done. Eat a bad 2 year deal from a team with good prospects and have them send them to a third team for a good pitcher.

We have to address the issue via trade now...maybe 3 team trade cause the prospects we are willing to move aren't the prospects people want. So maybe the Sox eat a bad contract from Team A, Team A sends more attractive prospects to Team B, Team B sends good pitcher under control for awhile to the Sox. I don't see how it works other than this unless you think Boras will accept 3 years for Ryu and I'm not seeing it. The FA market is thinning out so he can probably force a 4th year and we dont want to go there with an injury prone 32 year old. Go make the 3 team trade Rick.