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Push comes to shove and it's only 3 pieces, dump Grissom and insist on Kelenic as the 3rd piece. He has to be in that deal along with both pitchers. Getz has broken me...im starting to accept this will be a SP heavy trade and he doesn't give a damn about savagery. I dont see it being BAL even though we all want it and even if BAL was willing to deal. Dude is all in on pitching, defense, speed and athleticism. He just doesn't care about bats. Just give me at least a little nibble of LH savagery. Just give me something left handed I can be semi excited about at this point. ?

Only way we can realistically get 2 bats and 2 arms is AJSS, Waldrep, Kelenic and Grissom. Kelenic must be in the package if ATL wins the bidding imo.

Sigh.... I give up.

I didn't say he should be the whole compensation, just part of it...same thing with Busch. If we're getting one SP, one legit position player and one savage bat only i don't think people will complain about the fact that one guy is bat only if the bat is savage worthy.

So what? We need a DH too after Eloy is gone

I dont mind trading with MIN so long as Julien the young LHS is part of the package.

On the contrary Several folks here doubted Tyler "Glass Joe" Glasnow with a high salary and 1 year of control would get even a single Top 100 prospect or its equivalent. He ended up getting MORE than that. Not only was Pepiot Top 100 before he graduated and had a promising start to his career but TB ALSO foisted onto the LAD salary dump as well. BTV had the LAD giving up something around 20 MILLION in excess SV to land Glasnows limited services. This was the epitome of overpaying for pitching. If Getz has to settle for a trade with ATL in this market I'm going to scream.

We obtained alot of pitching that was relatively well thought of at the time in Nastrini, Eder and Bush and now signed Fedde and traded for 2 pitchers from ATL. They also presumably spent good money to lure Bannister here to develop our pitchers and we have a potential ace in the pipeline that probably isn't super far away from the majors. So let Bannister work. If we have blow our wad on elite prospect pitching in order to get good pitching, WTF is Bannister for? What value is he adding? We now need to address positional needs. We do not need to obtain 7th and 8th pitchers BEFORE meaningfully addressing positional needs. Savages come first and no Grissom is not a savage.

AJSS+Waldrep isn't a great offer if that's even the offer. AJSS+Waldrep+Grissom STILL isn't a great offer. A great offer actually addresses our long term needs.

As it should be. Which is why it's baffling/frustrating that seemingly every reporter keeps saying Atlanta when they don't have alot to offer.

1/14 is very reasonable in this market....that should have been done unless they blew their wad on Fedde or are thinking of bringing back Giolito instead.

Either the FO is engaging in a massive well orchestrated disinformation campaign to try and scare someone OR We're screwed. I'm hoping for the former.

I know they aren't going to deal Robert but if we went all in we could get a haul from BOS for Robert and Cease. SP Bello RF Anthony CF Rafaela C Teel 2B Yorke

At 60m it's a fair straight up deal. If Getz could get Anthony and Teel for Cease it would be a huge coup.

Imo that would be great and you can layer trade Quero for pitching or 2B or whatever else we need. Cease is 40 SV....the other two combined are around 57-58 I think but in this market it's a reasonable ask....we could throw in something, I dunno what they want or need...im not going to say Santos as I don't want Lip Man to jump down my throat.

I want Roman Anthony as the headliner and either Rafaela or Teel as 2nd piece.

I want to see BOS and SD getting name dropped more.

Eh...the age thing is a legit concern but BA believes he has 55 hit/60 power from left side and IMO that's quite valuable for us even if he ends up at 1B. If you go by @Chicago White Sox hypothetical trade, we would still address 2B/SS in Sweeney and also quality RF and SP additions. If realistically Sheehan is the headliner and I guess Busch and Pages are kind of 2A and 2B in the package it's fine. That's a really strong offer if it were to come to fruition and IMO it would be superior to any likely BAL offer. You are getting 4 guys who could all be on the ball club at some point in 2024.

Yeah since it was supposedly imminent but nothing went down it looks like an attempt to scare Getz into finalizing a trade with LAD. If they want us to finalize something with them they should offer Getz the 4 man package you proposed.

Correct....I got confused sorry @bmags I confused your position with Balta's.

I don't remember the exact quote but I thought he said something strongly suggesting Eloy was gone. I do remember him saying something recently tho about how there was interest in eloy but it had to "make sense for both sides". Maybe they will use that as an excuse if there's no deal but it will be awkward and I think Harold or fathom or someone said they want him out due to work ethic stuff

I think the point generally tho is you don't believe Cease will get back 2 Top 100s or some rough equivalent in SV. To me at least if the package was AJSS, Grissom and some lottery tickets that would be a massive fail. Massive.

Yeah they can wait till ST starts but it doesn't make sense to take him into the season. Even if he pitches better I'm not sure the return is going to be meaningfully better since it will be 1.5 years of control vs 2 years now so it might be a relative wash.

All I am saying is if 2 pitchers plus meh prospects is the winning bid then one of two things is true and both of them suck. 1. We couldn't creatively manufacture a package (ie 3 team trade if fit isnt great or 2 team trade with someone like BAL or BOS where fit works) that's actually a good fit for our needs which means demand wasn't high enough elsewhere to allow us to get LHS despite BALs lack of interest. So in my eyes bmags and galaly are still right. If demand is massive, FO should be able to force someone to give us what we actually need in prospect capital. 2. Getz is a moron with the wrong priorities and even after acquiring Nastrini, Eder, Bush and the ATL pitchers and with our own home grown pitchers possibly not far from MLB he STILL wants pitching over premium bats. This is arguably even worse than the first scenario. Both inferences suck. The only thing that is kind if a grey area is CIN...where it's two pitchers and maybe you can argue Jorge is going to be a LHS soon...thats kind of borderline....but ATL is trash unless Kelenic is coming along with BOTH pitchers AND something else too.

IMO Red Sox would be a good fit if Os don't work if Breslow is willing to deal Anthony + Teel.