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I think Ron actually likes Abreu quite a bit. It's just that he likes getting a rise out of people even more.

4 for something like 88 (I don't know what their AAV ask is) is definitely reasonable if there are no one sided opt outs. WTF is their problem? Do they think Michael Conforto is not going to get a 4 yr deal from someone? If they won't offer him a 4 yr deal, he's gone. He's absolutely 10000 percent gone. He will get that from someone for sure maybe even 5 years. They'll give relievers 3 years but a savage LH OF bat won't get 4?

Appreciate the info. If the Sox have a hard and fast number for Conforto, they won't get him. Boras doesn't capitulate. We should just move onto Joc for a year and hope Colas is ready in 23. I really don't want a clown show of 1B playing RF next year. It sucks but it is what it is.

If we got into a 4-5 team bidding war for these pitchers I wouldn't want to win it. The price would be beyond exorbitant.

Sounds like either way the preferred RF choice wouldn't be coming. I guess it depends on which of the three is traded and what's the return.

That 1MLB guy says Montas and Manaea both to NYY is close. Not sure how credible he is

If in fact they are truly priced out on Conforto, then I would do the trade as well (despite misgivings about TB) and have him in a platoon with Engel, so half the time we'd be getting elite offense and half the time elite D in RF. Getting Kimbrel off the books in the same transaction would be nice. Ofcourse, after sucking with us he would then go back to being a super elite closer with TB because of their magic analytics elixir but that's beside the point. And then next year evaluate where Colas is. If he's ready to play put him in RF and have Meadows and Eloy switch off on LF/DH. I just wish I knew if we were really in the game with Conforto or if we're just playing games to show we "tried" like before.

Beggars can't be choosers it would appear.

Touche.

Isn't trading with TB a bad idea in general?

I think it will be highly amusing to see Cleveland outbid us for the Plan E option in RF.

Conforto or whoever doesn't matter at this point. TOR will steamroll everyone in the AL. Nice job holding your dick in your hand Rick while other teams raced past you.

IMO it will be Joc or Rosario, whichever will take a 1 yr deal.

Damn. One savage gone. Suzuki at 70 and Schwarber at 80 means Confotto at like 120. We will no doubt tap out at this price. Joc comin

I dont think it's a surprise to anyone at this point, fathom. I think we have to accept that they are who we thought they were. This is not even remotely surprising.

Dammit.

I have seen some articles where they appear to be legit giddy about him. There's prolly some fluff in there but we dont even see some fluff about Cespedes. I think he starts in High A but he could move fast if his power translates into games. In their eyes, a one year Joc/Rosario thing is a win/win. It preserves flexibility for the potential for Colas to be ready and it's cheap. I think the odds of Joc/Rosario is probably significantly greater than 50% at this point. They misallocated resources, and are seemingly unable to dump bad contracts on others so they are stuck.

Wow. ..they totally are locking down spending now. This fucking POS organization blew your wad all on scrubs and 50 relievers and can't address your real needs and then in October they will act baffled as to why they get wrecked. Again. These people are scum.

Lillian is preaching to the choir here. The need for not just a LH bat but a savage LH bat is overwhelming. They aren't going to do dick in the playoffs without at least a couple true LH savages. No...not switch hitters that are somewhat above 800 OPS against righties. Actual savages. Conforto is necessary but not sufficient. In an ideal world they would sign both Conforto and Schwarber but ofcourse they are too busy wasting money on Tony's unhealthy obsession with relievers and scrubs, and have too many bat only players already and are too cheap to meaningfully address the need.

Which deal is he closer on....SP or RF?

I think the issue may be more with opt outs. Conforto was in line for a 150m deal before he had a bad year. Boras wants to preserve the ability to get out of a cheaper deal if he bounces back. I dont think we will agree to that unless we get an opt out too and Boras won't agree to that.

If I were Scott Merkin, I'd be pissed that the club isn't sticking to its side of the bargain. The way this transactional relationship is supposed to work is that he makes excuses for them, butters them up, sucks them off and finds creative ways to twist himself into a pretzel in order to justify all their moves and in exchange for him constantly putting lipstick on a pig he is supposed to get some scoops, but I don't see Merkin getting that many scoops.

But what's the point if they aren't going to use the savings in a meaningful* way? *And by meaningful, I mean using it in a way other that stuffing JRs pocket or spending it on multiple scrubs instead of one legit good player.

Unproven RHH who is a LF.

I think if they ate about 5-6m, they would get a decent return.