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the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Look...obviously I'm a huge Burnes fan. For me, he's the single most impactful pitcher we could possible acquire. He started 2020 in the pen and once he figured it out, he was money...as good or better than DeGrom across most metrics. In my judgement, if we somehow got him, we become odds on favorites to win it all. The comparison to Giolito is to provide perspective on what a potential trade package might look like. Obviously no one is advocating we trade Gio a package headlined by a Madrigal/Lopez/won't interest the Brewers any more than it would the Sox. Trade value aside though, in my opinion Burnes is the better pitcher and will outperform Gio in '21, assuming they both stay healthy. We can take it offline if anyone cares to wager. G'night. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
In response to an earlier comment, here are 2020 stat lines for 3 pitchers. Guessing you can identify the three. IP ERA BB/9 K/9 WHIP 59.2 2.11 3.6 13.27 1.02 72.1 3.48 3.48 12.07 1.04 68 2.38 2.38 13.76 0.96 -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Like I said, I don't have respective contract info to compare so allow me to revise my statement. If a game needs to be won, I'll take Burnes and you can have Gio. I know thats not very scientific but Burnes is the better pitcher. Only time will tell but you come up with the metrics for '21 and I'll put my money where my mouth is. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
You pick the relevant metrics to compare Burnes and Gio in 2021. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Thanks CWS. Thats exactly what I'm saying lest there be any confusion. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I'm not just proclaiming it. I'll bet on it. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Put your money where your mouth is -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Don't really have contract info handy but I'm basing my comment on 'stuff'. Burnes is better than Gio. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
So rediculous I'll happily wager based upon whatever metrics you want to measure by in 2020 AND 2021. -
the old Corbin Burnes thread, we have a new Burnes thread
Flash replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Guys - I've been banging the Burnes drum for months. Unfortunately I can't envision any scenario whereby Brewers trade him. That said, if he stays healthy (big if), he can put together a Shane Bieber like season. He is that fucking good. He's better than Giolito. What would it take for the Sox to consider trading Giolito? The answer to taht is where the package starts for Burnes. -
Are the White Sox "done" making moves until spring training?
Flash replied to VAfan's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Wow! poor Gray can't escape NYC -
Are the White Sox "done" making moves until spring training?
Flash replied to VAfan's topic in Pale Hose Talk
But do we really know what /who we are willing to trade? There has been speculation based on member preferences...'we can part with him but no way can we part with so and so' but its generally the same names in different packages. If our goal is to win it all and we believe are 1 ace pitcher away, maybe we should broaden our list of untouchables. I also believe we can do business with Reds (Castillo/Gray) if we agreed to take on Moustakas or Castellanos, which would obviously increase payroll but also lower the prospect capital. -
Are the White Sox "done" making moves until spring training?
Flash replied to VAfan's topic in Pale Hose Talk
When you lay it out like this and contemplate how the team is currently put together, you can make a case for how the difference in who they bring in (and amt. of cash outlay and/or prospect capital required) will likely determine the overall postseason outlook. That is to say Bauer gives us a better than fighting chance to compete in a WS in '21. Similarly, some of the names suggested as trade targets...Castillo, Marquez, Woodruff, Burnes, etc. provide the same likelihood. Everyone else is a crapshoot. For me its that simple. -
Not sure what's going on in SD. They are a relatively small market team. With Musgrove, their payroll creeps into the $175Mish range. They are wheeling and dealing as if they know something no one else knows. Maybe they are counting on an increase in team value comensurate with increased W/L success or maybe they feel the pandemic is fading and gate receipts will rebound in 2021. Preller/Padres are zigging when everyone else seems to be zagging and that might pay off nicely or ????
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Wouldn't those dollars be better spent on a pitcher?
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In theory, we could add Castillo and Moustakas to '21 payroll (@$19M) and solve for stud pitcher AND LH bat who can play 2B/3B. Not sure what prospect cost would look like and Moustakas' contract goes 2 more years at $16 and $18M plus $4M buyout/option in '24. Does that qualify as 'all in?'
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I like Castillo as a trade target but even if we led with Kopech, Madrigal and Heuer, we'd still be light. There is a scenario whereby the Reds want to dump salary and look to include Moustakes or Castellanos, in which case we a team willing to take on salary might get a deal done. Not the White Sox MO but at least in the discussion.
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What would the deal look like?
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Who would be your 'all in' name and what do you think the prospect cost would be?
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If we stipulate that Bauer is not a realistic target, who does this group think should be targeted? Is there one obvious pitcher who is a clear fit that this group could coallesce around? If yes, is there reason to believe the FO would not pursue this target for financial reasons? I've read about a dozen names tossed about as potential targets and lots of noise about how cheap JR is (maybe rightfully) but its not obvious there are any FA pitchers not named Bauer who we should absolutely pursue, regardless of price.
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Garrett Richards to Boston, 1 year $10 million.
Flash replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I tend to agree. My guess is everyone from JR to TLR and RH/KW believe we can win it all. They are smart enough to know we need another starter. The marginal difference in said starters contribution could very well make all the difference. The lack of obvious FA difference-makers (after Bauer), combined with revenue uncertainty due to COVID requires creativity but I don't believe the FO will let a couple $ million prevent them from bringing in a good fit. If that were the case, why would they spring $54M for Hendriks? -
I still think Q will be back in a WS uniform. I like LaStella but probably perceived as low priority w/Mendick and Leury.
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How do we know what the budget is? Maybe they will go $10+ for a starter and sign someone like LaStella.
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One guy who hasn't pitched since 2018 and 2 guys that haven't seen A-ball...I know we love our prospects but zero chance of that one.
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