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But an extra run still scored because of that frightfully bad no call on the 3-2 pitch to Correa.

That pitch to Correa was RIGHT THERE!!! Pure and simple. It was not low! So now instead of 2 on and 2 out, the bases are loaded with just 1 out with a two run lead. Changes the entire complexion of this inning.

That's true. Forgot about that.

Anyone have any idea why they decided to play today's game in the afternoon?

Week or "two?" So he'll be out close to a month with this?

That is a better way to put it. Trouble is, this isn't the stat that most people see when looking at the league statistics.

Oh, I agree. Completely actually. But for people so in love with OBP, it is a fact that Harper improved his OBP with that intentional walk. So when the box score is looked at at the end of this game, it will show that. I agree it's not the correct way to use it. I'm not so much complaining it doesn't provide situational info, as saying it can be very misleading.

The Phillies bottom of the 1st is the perfect example of what Saber geeks overlook. Harper's given an intentional walk to load the bases, to setup exactly what the White Sox want. A double play grounder out of the next hitter. So this means the Phillies don't score. Harper's OBP goes up for doing nothing more then taking an intentional walk. Now before any saber geek says, "it wasn't Harper's fault that happened," it has to be said, who cares. The object of this game, boys and girls, is to score runs. Not just to get on base. Getting on base of course can lead to runs, but getting on base and not scoring runs is worthless. Which shows the flaw in how stats are looked at today, which is situational hitting, which is important to score runs, is now overlooked as important. Because truthfully, if Harper had been pitched to, and he hit say a routine grounder to second which scored a run, that would have been a more productive at bat then taking that walk. Now, it certainly wasn't his fault he was intentionally walked, but he shouldn't get credit for anything either. But he does because it improved his OBP. Now before any Saber geek comes on here and lambasts me for saying anything against precious sabermetrics, I'll use this analogy. Sabermetrics are like the light bulb. Very important, useful, and maybe we wouldn't know what to do without it. But the purpose of the light bulb isn't meant to be shined right in someone's face full blast. Translation. Use it correctly and understand there's a time and a correct way to use them. Sorry for the long rant, but I feel this needed to be said.

I totally agree!!

If you don't think it warrants a thread then don't respond to it. Who are you to decide what warrants a thread? It's under "Pale House Talk," which is exactly what this is.

Agreed!!!

I know it's another rebuilding year. So wins and losses aren't exceptionally important right now. But with Kopech and Rodon coming back next year, plus Giolito, plus Lopez? Plus the quality starting pitcher they should bring in from outside the organization, Covey shouldn't see a major league mound again for the White Sox. Today was the second time now just since the break that this major league imposter hasn't gotten out of the first inning giving us any chance to win. The fans who went to the game today, do deserve something better then what the ridiculously pathetic Covey provided.

At least it wasn't something involving needing Tommy John surgery. So all that talk on here turned out to be moot, thank goodness

I grew up doing exactly the same thing you did and from how you described your comment, quite possibly in the same era. And you're right, players are playing less and less and getting hurt more. Here's a possible theory I've had for awhile. Players today are unquestionably bigger and stronger then they ever were, and it's becoming more and more so all the time. Kids today would probably be shocked at what players looked like in the 70's, how small they are. Especially in the NBA. Kids today would probably believe George Gervin would have no chance to play in today's NBA because of how skinny he was. But is getting so much bigger and muscular increasing your chances of getting hurt? Because if you are doing so much to develop your muscles, are you doing the equal amount of work to strengthen your tendons and ligaments? My guess is probably not, but if you are that much more muscular, are you putting more pressure on things like your tendons and ligaments? I'm not a Doctor, but it's a thought I've had. I've tried to think of it in primitive terms. Think back to when you were a kid playing sports year round. There's no such thing as a muscular 10 year old. And so did you ever here of a 10 year old kid tearing his UCL because he ran into his friend playing baseball in the field?

Very true about the injuries being one after another. I know it's still a rebuilding year. But what kind of year would we be having if we had everyone healthy? We've now gone extended periods/all year without Jimenez, Anderson, Rodon, Kopech, and even Moncada out a couple of different periods as well. Nearly everyone important.

I completely agree with you!!

Exactly!!

I'm not a Doctor, but does every elbow injury now have to involve Tommy John Surgery? I agree, can't the White Sox just elect not to do it?

......oh well. I guess picking the garbage at the bottom of garbage pales is a part of the rebuilding. But I guess, I should stay positive that the rebuild is at least beginning to turn the corner.

Maybe this is why this has felt like a satisfying year so far. When we had strong teams in the early 90's and the first part of the 2000's, being 3 games under would have had me angry. But because the arrow is pointing upward as the long rebuilding we've been going through is finally bearing some fruit, this season has been enjoyable. And also, this is misleading because too long a time span is being looked at. Looking at this tells you that Detroit has been more successful then Houston. But it's been 5 years since that's been true. Fans of the Astros would laugh at this of being important because of how good they've been/are the last 5 years. And Tiger fans would look at this and say "so what? We haven't been good for 5 years." They wouldn't see any consolation in this because what you've done lately is all anybody cares/thinks about. It's true this proves that the last 10 years haven't been the most fun, but if our rebuilding does continue to take shape the next few years, it won't matter at all how bad we were in 2017 or 2018.

That's exactly what I was planning on doing!! That way I'd know for sure!

Quick question for anyone/everyone. Was planning on going to both games of the Day/Night Doubleheader tomorrow, which I've never done before, and was wondering about something. I know they make you leave the park after the first game and you need a ticket for the second game to get back into the park. But what about the parking? Do you have to leave the parking lot after the first game and then drive back in again for the second game? And therefore pay for parking twice. I've been to the second half of a Day/Night DH before, and have been to traditional Doubleheaders, (boy, I miss those.) But never gone to both games of the split DH. So I wasn't sure if you have to leave the parking lot as well as the ballpark between games. Thanks for your help.

Well, looks like we were both right. You were right Alonso got DFA'd and Palka got brought up like I said he should have been when I started this post.

You may be right there. Most certainly possible.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one then because he should be. The guy has proven himself on the major league level by hitting 27 homers last year. And as I proved, he's performing at Charlotte right now. Because of his starting the year in a slump, he's become the forgotten man. And with Garcia playing short at least part of the time Anderson is out, why do we need another infielder, unless Moncada also has to go on IL? If Moncada is only day to day, we already have Rondon as a backup infielder. Now if you think they are that high on Mendick, I guess I'd be OK with bringing him up and sending Rondon down. He certainly isn't anything to write home about. And I guess they can keep Collins up here and do what you describe, but personally I don't think Collins is ready. And what do they do with Alonso with that scenario you gave?