NWINFan

Yes, although these last 11 years haven't been a lot of fun. We will see if the team finally turns it around like the Astros. Just because the Astros found success doesn't mean the White Sox will. We will see what the next offseason will bring.

As awful as this line score looks, those two wild pitches all the way to backstop concern me the most. I don't remember seeing a pitcher that wild and out of control. I thought he was injured, too. This is a big setback for Cease. And it only proves the team needs to have a big off season. Either that or another potential 90 losses.

That's part of the problem, isn't? The team loses but people make money but just sitting back and letting JR run things. A 99-loss season? A 100-loss? Happening in the same decade? Who cares? The money keeps rolling in. Keep rebuilding. Fine with us.

In the late 1990s, there was a group of fans and backers who dreamed of making an offer to Reinsdorf. To put things in perspective, they thought they could raise $140 million as a credible offer. That number just makes me laugh now. $140 million? You have to be kidding.

Speculating about JR selling the White Sox is about the same as speculating about the team landing a high-profile free agent: a waste of time.

I don't think your analogy holds up. A one-time injury, unless it is something truly horrendous, doesn't force any major league player to retire. Yes, athletes train for their profession, but training only does so much. Football is the most brutal of all sports. I think its amazing they NFL players get through one game much less years and years of this stuff. Luck's timing wasn't the best, and maybe his teammates feel let down. Or maybe they understand his decision. Whatever the case, other NFL players have made this decision. Some things aren't worth it. You have only one body and one life.

I am aware many deserved it although I think the station liked when the idiots called in because they were easy to best in any sports argument. I just know arrogance when I see it.

You can base it on his recent public statements. Nothing has changed in one regard: Jerry Reinsdorf has never liked giving interviews and hasn't trusted the media for years. He prefers to talk through others such as Harrelson and Farmer and now Stone. Reinsdorf has become a recluse of sorts, and I don't blame him in a way. He has taken a good deal of abuse although he has handed it out, too. In any event, the White Sox feel the media has not been fair to them and so they pick and choose how they do things. I think JR needs an up front and regular spokesman who fans know is speaking for him officially. The team has never manage media relations well.

This fan is a dolt. Luck has made a tough decision, and I don't think he has to justify it to anyone. If he truly feels his time is done, I have no problem with that. Fans will be disappointed at that, but they are not playing in the NFL and getting their brains knocked around.

I don't miss them. Even if a caller has a valid point, the caller would be ridiculed or made fun of if they didn't agree with B&B. And I have always have thought of Boers as a nasty person who just liked to demean people. I can't remember the last time I listened to the Score. It is lousy radio.

If the figures thrown around on this board are realistic view of what can happen, I don't have much confidence the Sox will do anything.

I am not going to knock a guy who picks up 100 RBIs every year even with his defense. But this is what struck me on hearing this: I wonder if JR wants to keep Abreu because Abreu is a good offensive player or because he likes the guy? Guillen should have been fired in May 2011, but Reinsdorf couldn't or wouldn't do it, and that whole situation turned into a fiasco. Ventura was another safe and sentimental hire. If the franchise wants to reward Abreu somehow, that's fine with me. But they didn't draft Vaughn for nothing. Just need a little common sense here.

I know of one person who got banned for life who truly deserved it. He truly went off on Jerry Reinsdorf with stuff he couldn't back up. It went past the normal fan complaining and it was totally irresponsible. But merely criticizing the team for the way they do things is normal fan stuff. As I said in one post, they were upset that I started a thread about the Sox not bringing home runners from third with less than two out. If a fan can't talk about something like that, something is wrong. You can still be a fan and not walk around with blinders on.

What Balta1701 said and then some. The White Sox FO work overtime in circling their wagons and lashing out. In the meantime, their team has gone through a terrible decade and no one can predict when the team will start winning. A note to Ricky: How about placing your best hitters higher in the order so they get more ABs and place your weaker hitters lower so they get less ABs?

I remember starting a thread that complained about the Sox not getting runners home from third with less than two outs. They almost deleted it. I still don't see why they were threatened. They acted as if I was slandering someone. I was only tired of runners dropping dead on third base. I think that would concern most fans. I also know the White Sox and other major league teams were not happy when the internet started taking off and fan sites were starting to become popular. It was information they couldn't control. True, but WSI, in its sometimes strange way, helped promote interest in the team. WSI was just too strange.

No big loss anymore. Due to some kind of internal dispute, the front page of the site hasn't been changed in seven years. I remember when it was founded 20 years ago and was about three total pages. It went through changes and grew tremendously. Now it isn't much. There were still some good fans who posted there but there weren't all that many during the last few years. Mostly fans calling other fans "dark clouds," or posting an illustration with a chicken running and the sky falling. The site used to have game recaps but that hasn't happened this season. They stopped starting threads any time the White Sox lost. The fact is if you weren't some kind of cheerleader, you weren't wanted there. And it showed with many abandoning the site. The basic concept of WSI was good. It was a place for Sox fans to voice their opinions and vent. There were other features that documented the history of the team. But at times, I think people running the site feared offending the White Sox. If it is a fan site, it is a fan site. WSI was an ambitious project and had a good run. I was treated well by some there. But its time has passed. What would really be interesting would be a fan site that covered the team like a media outlet and did it with objectivity. Give fans some power.

Yes, they did succeed. The game was boring enough without having that drab talk in the booth, and I've never liked self-absorbed entertainers. I don't blame Benetti on the low energy home run call. Nice opposite field power by Eloy as always, but a solo homer in that spot was meaningless.

I agree. Vilehoopster made some valid points and didn't deserve to be mocked. This reminds me of the stuff at WSI.

I didn't watch this game, but the Walton stuff sounds like it was fun. I doubt that it will work over the long run, but sometimes it is really good not to take things so seriously. Bill Veeck had his failures but sometimes he did things that were just fun. The White Sox did something right here.

Please, can there be no more talk about trading Colome?

The thing that has baffled me about the White Sox is that when a new player arrives, he just stinks up the place. Yes, Adam Dunn had faults, but I don't think anyone expected him to have a .159 season. Others have done it, too. They just don't slump, they are awful. It would be nice if Nova kept it up and stabilized this rotation.

This is so true. The only way you can carry a guy like Engel is if you have a potent lineup around him. That is something this team doesn't have. I really can't stand watching him bat any more. He swings at some awful pitches other hitters wouldn't think of offering at. Another White Sox player who doesn't belong on a major league roster.

I agree with Dick Allen. Hahn would have been let go by most teams with his record. And the rebuild came out of desperation. The Sox, although they had some talent, were plodding along winning in the mid '70s range and contending for nothing. Fans were frustrated not only by the losing, but by a franchise drifting with no apparent direction. So many were glad to see the club at least have some focus. But now with this focus, there has to be results. There is no credibility with continued pleas for patience. Whatever the Sox do this offseason, there has to be at least some improvement that will cause real hope. Talk, at this point, means nothing.

I think this sounds good, but is there any indication that the White Sox will do this or anything like this? I am not getting my hopes up.

The Sox can't play the Detroit Tigers every day.