bubba phillips

Jeez, take it easy. Now who's overreacting?

What overreaction? A high OBP, high average, low strikeout hitter is just what the Sox need. Too many "strikeout or home run" guys on this team as it is. I'm fine if all he hits are singles and a few doubles.

In his pro debut, Madrigal "....showed very little power". The Sox drafted the kid knowing that he was a high-average, great fielding SINGLES HITTER. At 5' 7" and 165 lbs., he's not going to hit many HR's (unless he goes the steroid route).

I agree. That's why I would non-tender him but then try to sign him to an incentive-laden contract. If he produces close to his 2017 numbers, it would be worth it, even if it ends up being around the $8 million he would have gotten in arbitration. Also, why all the love some have shown for Delmonico. He'll be 27 next season, hit .215 this year, and is a butcher in the field.

I see the Padres fired their hitting coach. Yesterday the Marlins fired 4 coaches. Earlier, Baltimore and the Angels parted with their managers. The White Sox, however, are holding strong with all of their staff. Must be government positions.

Why is it that the Sox can't develop a home-grown catcher if their life depended on it? The last 2 quality catchers that we didn't acquire via the trade route that I can recall are Duane Josephson and Ed Herrman, back in the '60's and '70's.

Rather than continue with the discussion about attendance at the tale end of the "Is it Hahn, Hostetler, etc." thread, I thought I would start a new thread on the topic. I looked at the attendance figures by year from 1901 to present. Here's some highlights: the White Sox attendance exceeded the AL average 57% of the years from 1901-1969, but only 21% of the years from 1970 to present. the Sox drew 2 million for the first time in 1983 and the league average didn't hit that mark until 1988. attendance has averaged over 2 million fans in 13 years, all of them between 1983-2011, including consecutively from 2005-2011, with a couple more years falling just short of the mark. The underlying theme of the fluctuations is as expected: good team, they will come. Crappy team, fans stay away. The Sox drew almost 3 million in 2006, the year after the miracle. As I said on another thread, White Sox fans treat the team as they would any other consumer good: if the product is good, you buy it. If not, you don't.

No, but they had Jason Heyward, Justin Upton, Evan Gattis, Craig Kimbrel, Alex Wood, Andrelton Simmons and others.

I was referring to Frank Wren, not his successor, John Coppolella.

I looked at only one team and I found what you are looking for--Atlanta Braves. YR 1 --95 losses YR 2 --93 losses YR 3 --90 losses YR 4 --Division Champs White Sox: YR 1 --95 losses YR 2 --100 losses YR 3 -- ? YR 4 --Division Champs? Interestingly, both teams had similar records in the year prior to their teardowns: Atlanta was 79-83 and the Sox were 78-84. Atlanta fired their manager after a 9-28 start in YR 2 of the rebuild. They fired their GM the year prior to the start of the rebuild.

I guess asking for a "winning" percentage of .292 was asking for too much from this collection of losers. So we played .250 ball for virtually the whole month of September. A fitting end to the season, since we played .250 ball to start the year. Several people mentioned that Moncada improved his numbers in September, but that was dismissed by others as coming against other teams' garbage (September call-ups). I guess if you play .250 ball in September (as the Sox did), that must mean that their garbage is better than our garbage.

I think he meant hundreds.

Nice job boys! "And a child (OK, so he's 23) shall lead them". Next year we go for most errors.

I know most people on here are happy as a pig in poop that the Sox will lose this game and are thus closing in on the 3rd pick in next year's draft. However, I'm very concerned about yet another hideous performance by Giolito. He finishes the year with an ERA of 6.13. He's been crappy for basically the entire year. After his first start of the year, his ERA was 4.50. It would never be that low again. From his next start until tonight, his ERA was in the 5's, 6's, and 7's for the entire year. And this is a large part of our future? We're now down to 2 dependable starters for next year---Rodon and Lopez.

Yea, don't we know---ONCE in a 101 years (and counting, and counting, and counting).

Pretty damn long sentence.

It's an audition of who is going on the scrap heap. And it looks like it will be most of these clowns.

Anderson is now a 20-20-20 guy.

Hoping for a close game. Since we're going with a 'pen game, and knowing how Renteria has a penchant for using 4 relievers in an inning of a close game, I wouldn't be surprised if he uses all 11 relief pitchers in this game.

It's just an opinion. No better and no worse than yours or anybody else's.

ONE MORE!!!---win or rainout.

I know Shields has one year left on his contract for $16 million, or a $2 million buyout. I know it's pretty much a foregone conclusion among Sox fans that the Sox will go the buyout route. Is this a viable option to anyone (or is it even possible contract-wise)? Pay him the 2 mill and then negotiate an incentive-filled contract for one year (at much less than $16 million). There would be several benefits: 1.) his ERA this year is 3rd best among the starters, 2.) he's an "innings eater", something you need for a young starting staff that will be on limited innings, 3.) we will need a 4th and 5th starter, preferably someone with experience.

Excellent points!!! I guess the Reinsdorf Apologists believe that no one should ever get fired.

The Indians have 4 starters who each have 200 strikeouts for the season. Just what the doctor ordered: the White Sox lead the majors in strikeouts (and by a goodly margin over the next worst whiffers).

No need to get greedy and hold all of the strikeout records. He broke the record for most K's by a switch hitter a few weeks ago (the AL record was 177 and MLB record was 189).