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This Ventura? Royals pitcher Yordano Ventura dies in car crash in Dominican Republic (usatoday.com)

You’re like a gnat at a barbecue.

You invent strawman arguments to disprove and did it again TWICE in this post. You are correct that whataboutisim is a logical fallacy could involve not answering a question. But justifying someone else not being able to answer a question is not whataboutisim.

I love when someone thinks they're arguing intelligently but can only "prove" arguments using unproveable subjective claims, and can only "disprove" arguments using logical fallacies.

Those are both subjective claims. Since there are no generally accepted standards or methods that would prove a subjective claim conclusively true or false, this means, even though the claims may involve facts, they are not provable. Your argument ("the losses are on him") is supported by subjective (non provable) claims and therefore cannot be proven as true.

How can it be fair that absolute, exactly to the tee, concrete examples are required to prove the argument, but it can be disproved by a subjective interpretation of watching a 4-game Cleveland series?

Hey that’s demeaning to people who are 4 years old.

Here comes the cancel

Isn’t the difference between the two scenarios “foreseeable risk” on the part of the victim? At least in terms of civil litigation.

Fear-based motivation is LAZY and psychologically damaging.

Powerful and effective in accomplishing what?? There’s plenty of evidence that shows shaming as an incredibly poor long-term strategy. It’s also an incredibly lazy strategy.

There is no difference. This is your interpretation of my actions based on your own narratives. You’ve decided you don’t like me and whatever you do from here on out will be filtered though that lens. I can see you pride yourself on calling other people’s bullshit. I’m not much different. But because of that, I’m not allowed to spread a positive message?? Ok.

Hmmmm... he could I suppose. But that wouldn’t fit into their narratives very nicely. I banter with ss2k5 yesterday then Quinny enters and says enough so we both stop. I make one post today giving props to a dude who made a fantastic post. Minutes later, Tony comes in and derails the thread again with a bunch shaming by pointing how how hypocritical I am. Yeah, those guys are the model of integrity... no hypocrisy there. The irony is that the first post of mine that he quoted was my response to a couple moderators of this message board heckling a certain poster. But context doesn’t matter..

Oh Tony! I do own those statements. And I can absolutely understand why you would spend all that valuable time of yours finding them to accomplish nothing more than making someone on the internet look like a hypocrite. I get it man. Even though I don’t necessarily agree with it. Internet-message-board-moderator-brothers FOR LIFE, right? Oh BTW— How’s your glass house lookin’ Tony? Photos please.

Fantastic post. Empathy is exclusive of agreement. You can choose both empathy and disagreement at the same time. Some people just don’t get it. You absolutely get it man. Hats off to you.

Yeah the lack of transparency is frustrating. And when Trump is actually willing to answer a question, it’s laced with hyperbolic nonsense.

And you keep taking everything at face value.

Again, the things you see as a “new” me are nothing more than your own perceptions filtered through a lens disdain because you’ve decided that you don’t like me. You’ve let it be known, and because of this you’ll desperately tear me down to protect this new part of your identity as a person who dislikes me. And I know this because I’ve read plenty of your work.

Couldn’t agree more. We need more testing. I understand the frustration of those who want to get back to normal. Not everyone’s circumstances are the same as our own and for some, this is causing more hardship than others. What we could do is acknowledge the feelings of others so that they know they’re being heard and that their feelings matter. This is called empathy, which is exclusive of agreement.

The problem with protestors using this quote in that context is that they cannot prove they’re healthy. This is why we need more testing.

Ahhh.. newest SS2k5 tactic: Gaslighting. Unfortunately for both you and me, a decade ago I was still thumbing through WSI; Soxtalk wasn't even a glint in my eye.

Back with the strawman I see. Desperation is not a good look on you. What IDs are those? Contrary to Quinny’s previous claim under which I was banned, I have no ties to anyone named Tommy Longo. But do what you need to do to save face. Theres this paranoia around here that if someone disagrees with you, they must be the same person because how could anyone disagree with the great ss2k5? You result to this tactic because it’s EASY. Easier than continuing to defend your claims and easer than dealing with the inner conflict caused by statements that challenge your identity. ?

Your interpretation of my posts is a direct result of your own narratives. Spare me from this strawman garbage. I don’t derive my identity by polarizing myself to one end or the other of the political spectrum. Donald Trump is trash. Could that set the record straight? Nope, not for you because you can’t fit it into your own narrative about me. You use you your podium here in the same way Trump uses his. You two are not as different as you desperately need to believe. Now let’s see what kind of spin you can put on this. Can’t wait.

I did read the article and was specifically referencing exactly what you’re citing above. Maybe we have different interpretations of these two statements. Also, I fail to fully understand this desire to group anyone who disagrees with you as a supporter of our “Dear Leader.” I mean, maybe I can understand it from a perspective of someone clinging their identity of a being person who dislikes the President. But making that claim given the information you have about me in this case is quite the leap.

So you believe the statement “correlation != causation“ is false? Even the article YOU posted alludes to my claim. Whatever you said Donald...