vilehoopster

That there is an off-season, two-page, 34 reply thread on this board about a Sox announcer misprononucing a name during a basketball game just shows how hard people are looking for things to complain about. It's just ridiculous. We get it: you're unhappy about the team and the 121 losses. But then again, after you post a few hunderd times (no hyperbole with that few hundred times number, it might over a thousand for few) that Getz, Riensdorf, Sox players and management all completely suck; after doing that over and over and over . . . I guess you're forced to find something new to complain about.

Oldsox and I had the same question at the same time.

So, are you, and Callis, thinking Montgomery are SS or 3rd? If at SS, isn't that hole/ problem solved? As for 2nd base, after Sosa's September, doesn't it also look like the Sox might have very well solved their 2nd base hole? So why Meidroth?

So we should trade Robert to get a young outfielder loaded with offensive and defensive potential? Does anyone else see a weakness in this logic?

Again, an example how people now state as fact that the Sox lost the Cease trade, and the question is very much up in the air (again, I think the Sox won that trade). But the complainers have to misrepresent so that they can justify being pissy and complaining. No poster more than this one.

So the Sox might end up with a pitcher who might be better than Crochet, since it seems very possible that Thorpe might end up better than Cease? And then also end with a few other of the team's top 10 prospects. I state this again: People keep talking like the Sox lost the Cease trade, and that is not anywhere near a fact, and I think it's going to turn out that they won it. But either way, we'll see; it's not yet determined.

This is really an interesting question. It's like the NFL draft question: Do pick a position where you need help, or do you pick the best player/ athlete. I gotta go somewhere in the middle. I think you have to pick between the best of three positions: 1. a relief arm 2. a lefty right fielder 3. a starting arm As weak as the Sox roster is, I have to believe that they will get a solid/ real contributor out of this . . . at least one. (Again, this a statement of how weak the Sox roster is right now.)

Thank you 2Deep for inadvertently helping me out another example of a stat that can be questionable. But I agree with you on WAR. Everyone quotes it as gospel, but there are times when it seems to defy logic and make no sense.

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" BABIP is one of a ton of new stats that people use to make this or that point. An ERA of 1.23 sounds great, but that means nothing because his BABIP implies he was lucky. Sorry, not buying that. There are so many stats in baseball now, that some stat or another can be use to prove just about any player is bad, great or just lucky. So does that five-game BABIP mean the Sox lost the Cease trade?

Sorry that this is in bold, but I wrote it in google docs to check my grammar and spelling, and when I copy and paste it in, it's in bold and I don't seem able to make the bold go away. Sorry, but no statement meant by being bold. "The asking for high returns is similar to what we got last winter about Cease. Other GMs won't offer anything near what Getz is supposedly asking, and when Getz gets desperate he will accept a lower return" "All the talk is what a big return Cease or Fedde will require and then we end up with a mediocre to bad return." "If you could get a weak return deal, like the one the White Sox got for Cease, that's better than winding up with nothing for him." "Seems to be a thing with Getz. We did the same thing with Cease." One of the things that happens on this board is that someone will make a statement, and everyone will run with it and quote it and it becomes accepted as fact. My best example of this is when people used to complain about having Sheets or Vaughn in the outfield, and they would state that having Sheets/ Vaughn in the outfield, that they were more likely to not call a fly ball and therefore collide with Robert and injure him. This was stated over and over: “Bah, bah and he’s a risk to Robert out there. Or “He’ll injure Robert” And it happened so often that this stupid supposition became accepted as fact, quoted continually as fact as people complained about Sheets’/ Vaughn’s bad defense in the outfield. Yes, they were bad defenders out there, but the idea that they were more likely to collide with Robert was just ridiculous. The newest supposition that now seems to be taking hold is that Sox/ Getz lost the Cease trade, and that it’s a fact. There’s no way that saying the Sox lost that trade can be taken as fact and, to me, it seems very likely that the Sox may have won that trade. Right now, I see that trade is looking as 50/ 50 either for the Sox or for the Padres depending on the health of Thorpe’s arm this next year and going forward. There was a 5 game stretch where Thorpe, as a rookie, had an ERA of 1.23. Certainly better than anything Cease did his first year with the Sox, showing outstanding potential and promise. One could make the argument that with Thorpe alone the trade could be a win for the Sox. Of course, it’s early. And a bigger of course is that a five game stretch means very little, but so does half a season. So to my point: there’s a long way to go before this trade can be judged good or bad for the Sox But . . . if you add in the three other players who also came with Thorpe, two also full of promise and potential, this trade is looking very reasonable. In my opinion, at this early juncture, the Sox are winning with this trade, or at least, breaking even. But there seems no way someone can state as fact and as a starting point for other arguments that the Sox lost the Cease trade.

Excellent point. This didn't occur to me.

I think his being the starting SS is all but a done deal. And I have to say that I agree with that call. Unless he comes in to Spring Ball and is terrible, I really expect to see him at shortstop. With there being no other reasonable option, I really think it's a stretch to say calling him up is rushing him. Yes, he struggled, for a while, in AAA; but he had a .815 OPS in September and has had two really good AFL seasons. Again, I see him at SS and Sosa (after his September) at 2nd as a done deal, and I'm looking forward to watching them there.

The last I heard was back in early September, when we were told that his injury was a bone spur on his elbow. The plan was to shave down the bone spur and that would clear up the problem. Again, that is the last I heard of it. Has anyone heard anything since? Was the surgery successful? Is he throwing or due to begin throwing? Anything?

I disagree completely. For the first time since mid-May, I'm excited for a series. Does knocking the Tigers out of the playoffs, redeem the season? Of course not. But it will be fun and exciting. A real reason to play. Come Sox!! Let's stick it to the Tigers and keep them out of the playoff. I'll be watching.

I'm not as down on some other players as most of the people on this board. But . . . I am absolutely ready for the Gavin Sheets experiment to end. What else do we need to see: he can't hit and he can't field.