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Which is word for word what KW said about Robin.

Somewhere, Greg’s head just exploded.

Yep. FA’s this winter that are Boras clients include Cole, Strasburg, Moose, JDM, Ozuna, and Rendon.

You mean like how a few pages back I prefaced my post saying I was just spitballing and you spent several posts telling me why I was being too unrealistic?

You mean the guy that had a whopping 79 ERA+ and led the league in hits, ER, and HR?

Other than that they were awesome .....

Which is why I prefaced the whole post by saying I was totally spitballing on the numbers. I didn’t really intend for it to be any sort of specific plan, but rather an illustration that the Sox have the financial freedom 1)to be thinking beyond answers like Avi or Yolmer and 2) it’s not a situation where they need to spend money on pitching rather than hitting, they can do both

OK, fine, considering this thread is titled "A Realistic Offseason", I'LL BITE but it's all about TOTAL roster construction, not just one position: PREMISE : this team has way more more payroll available that most people understand. Enough that they need to be thinking WAY beyond friggin' Avi Garcia or Yolmer Sanchez. ASSUMPTION : agree or disagree, they're going to re-sign Abreu. I'm convinced of this. I think we need to accept it. ASSUMPTION : plug the holes on offense, while upgrading the defense, but emphasize starting pitching. ASSUMPTION : Robert and Madrigal up mid-April ASSUMPTION : RF defense doesn't suck PAYROLL (spitballing here, anyone feel free to nitpick but I don't think I'm WAY off base here): $15M base (all they have is TA, Herrara, and Eloy) $20M for Arb and league minimum players (Arb is largely McCann and Colome) $12M Abreu (I'm thinking/hoping they'll do 2+1option, 12/10/opt) ------------ that's $47M, hypothetically add: $10 Gardner for RF (I like BamaDoc's idea, but pick equiv if you have better RF idea) $15M Grandal $12M Moose (2+opt, move Jose to DH, Moose can be 1B, along w/ Mendick can hold 2B until Madrigal and can provide 3B, DH, left-handed bench) $6M bullpen (because... bullpen - you better sign a body or two) $32M for 2 starters (take your pick based on this budget - I'm thinking one #2 plus an inning eater) -------------- That works out to be $122M payroll which is roughly the Twins payroll. If you disagree with my #'s and think it's $130+, fine, they can afford it. ROSTER ASSUMPTIONS: - Abreu is primary DH - with 26 roster spots you can afford to carry someone like Engel, if can at least hit .245 - McCann/Collins rotate between C/DH/1B - If Abreu needs to pay 1B a couple times x week to keep him happy, fine, whatever You've added: - Robert, Madrigal, Moose, Gardner, Grandal, to Moncada, TA, Abreu, and Eloy. Hella lineup. - 3x LH bat - 3x veterans, all with playoff experience - 3x guys with avg to above ave OBP - 2 starters - bullpen support - You've upgraded, defensively at 1B/RF/C AND ....: - you've upgraded 1B, C, and RF WITHOUT BLOCKING LONG TERM Sheets/Vaughn, Collins, or Basabe/Rutherford/Adolfo/Walker That's way better than Yolmer and Avi, and has nothing to do with chasing JDM or, Cole. Now .... do I think this organization can pull this off .....? But this is what's possible. We need to dream bigger than Avi or Yolmer.

So: - your basing your expectations going forward based on the 1 most recent year of an eight year career? - you’re willing to accept -4.6 defensive WAR? (based on the same year you’re picking offensive stats) - you don’t think the Sox can afford better? (And no, I’m not talking about JDM)

Because it’s Saturday night and apparently everyone is drinking

Yes. Unequivocally yes. Especially when sentimentality is involved. The time for that is past. Or, frankly, never existed if the goal is to win a championship.

BamaDoc has some interesting suggestions. But as for some of the other suggestions in this thread, if this organization isn't thinking higher than giving Yolmer three years or bringing back Avi ...... lord help us

Why do I have a terrible feeling this winter we’re going to hear “we feel Palka provides us the left handed power we’re looking for in right field”?

This approach will get the Sox nowhere. If you want the best of the best you HAVE to play the stupid games agents want to play. I'm not saying I like it, but that's the reality these days. If you want top free agents: 1 - you have to be patient and let it drag on, likely all winter 2 - you have to overpay for the back end of the contracts We can wish it was otherwise, but 99% of the time it's not. The top teams sometimes do both. They sign Wheeler while they're waiting for Cole.

The recent comments here make too much sense, which leads me to believe that Ricky will still be managing, they'll be attempting tons of SB's (because "we want to remain aggressive out there") while getting thrown out 32% of the time, and Moncada will be at some weird spot in the lineup (because "I need to break up the righties"). And bunting. Ugh.

I want as few below average players as possible on this team simply because I don’t trust Ricky to not play them everyday or bat them cleanup or put them in the lineup because of a platoon split that doesn’t exist.

Fox and Carrasqeul 1954 - 10.4 combined 1955 - 8.6 Fox and Aparicio 1957 - 11.0 1959 - 9.3 So, no. EDIT: FYI, those are bWAR. Using fWAR, here's some data points 1954 - 10.0 1955 - 7.9 1957 - 9.8 1959 - 8.8 1960 - 9.0

I'm not saying he can't or won't. I have no clue. If they do get along, good for them. I still wouldn't want that dill hole on the Sox though.

This is like saying all white guys get along because they're white and speak english. Ask Eaton and Frazier how that worked out.

I sure hope not. Not sure what the answer is in RF, but something much better than the hot mess we've had, in addition to JDM and Moose. Push comes to shove (and this is probably more likely), I'd pick Abreu over JDM for DH if that meant more money could be spent on a starting pitcher or two. And Grandal. Abreu (DH) Moose (1B until Vaughn and then 4x/wk and LH bench) RF (shitty fielders need not apply) Grandal Well above average starter (take your pick from the list) Add to the 'pen Yes, I'm a greedy bastard. Crazy thing is they could likely afford all that. Now, do I think they'll actually pull it off ..............

Agreed. I'm not an Abreu hater but the more I think about it, resigning him complicates what FA then makes sense in building a good roster. Sign Jose plus one of JDM/Castellanos and, when Vaughn comes up I don't see how you don't end up with either someone playing RF that really shouldn't, a bench spot taken up by a DH, or Vaughn playing as little as Collins did. I think they have to choose between Abreu, JDM, and Castellanos and then work around that. I'd take Jose over Castellanos, but in a perfect world I'd want JDM with Moustakas at 1B until Vaughn comes up and then you've got a LH bat with decent defense that can start 4 days/wk around the diamond and pinch hit.

Wow ......

If “discounted price”, “bounce back”, “resigning for cheap”, “low OBP” or “always injured” are used by Hahn relative to any FA targets this winter he should be fired. The time for that crap has passed.

Or maybe it's because there's a guy at SS named Tatis.

I really don't care what the Sox do. I've got no dog in this hunt. I just don't think that the mere suggestion of moving a "phenomenal athlete" (as we've repeatedly been told he is) from SS to RF is as scandalous as some people on this board seem to think it is.