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That really isn't the point. Doesn't really make me feel any better.

He singled me out. I responded. I will never fail to respond to someone who is engaging with me, whether it be discussing, challenging or trolling.

A "great" manager can at least handle basic decisions based on basic stats, and a lot of managers can't d this. And this context being relative to the time period we are currently in is what you have to keep in mind. It's not the 80's or even the 90's anymore.

I don't even wish I believed that.

Yeah, to be fair even a lot of the naysayers would probably have still been a bit excited for obvious reasons.

Who didn't see this one coming? Being a fan of this franchise seems to result in nothing but punishment.

Yes. I apologize and plead temporary insanity for the incident with Greg. Guilty as fucking charged on that one.

Was it? I feel like a lot of people really didn't want him, whether it was because of the high price tag or the Johnny Hustle comments.

Trolling doesn't phase me. If you don't have anything useful to say, I just laugh at you. There's nothing funnier than silencing someone's poor takes with reasoning for them to fail to provide counterpoints and eventually disappear only to reappear later to attempt a pitiful "revenge" post. I'm interested in good, productive discussion; not dick-measuring contests to try to gain attention and get people to admire my wit. Disappearances are silent concessions. Not commendable, but at least subtle. Then stuff like this happens. You're better off just staying silent.

I feel like the majority of us understand why this is bad. I'm still rolling my eyes at a few posters but between this and Ricky's lack of competence as a manager, not sure I've seen this board more united since the Sox won it all in '05. As usual, a few reasons to be hopeful but so many more reasons how and why this will likely be a disaster.

People are acting like they were tricked and bamboozled again, which they were. And for a guy who is an obviously bad hire for several reasons.

Um... in 2020?

At this point I have to think you're trolling. If you're actually going to try to bank on having a team so good you don't think the manager makes a difference then I fear you also might have reached the granduer stage tha so many other fans have had for years now.

I'm being honest when I say you might be the person I respect most on this board. You have a great mind for baseball and I generally agree with you. But I think you're being extremely short-sighted here to say the very least.

This team was just starting to develop a lot of swagger and a lot of personality and these guys are having a lot of fun out there. You really don't think Tony larussa being the guy in that Dugout full of minorities is going to have an effect on morale and the complexion of this team? Man, I hateed Renteria as manager but we can always count on the White Sox to make us miss the last guy, no matter how bad he was.

Who?

This is just a huge shot in the balls to fans of this franchise. There's plenty of reasons that this is bad, I think most of which have already been covered. I just want to put an exclamation point on it and say that this franchise is essentially taking a pimpled kid whose complexion was finally clearing up and was going to start getting dates and just put a bunch of ugly pimples back on his face just as he was about to hit his stride. Considering all the reasons people have already laid out why this is bad, you really don't think this is going to speak poorly to free agents who might have been convinced to give us a try after finally look like we might have been starting to go in a different direction and now apparently we're not? After all the bush-league stuff that this franchise has done in the last few years? Like Cali said already, a lot of Sox fans continue to get fooled into thinking things are going to change. My only optimism will likely begin to rear its head after reinsdorf is dead and gone, and I know that sounds really cold hearted but at this point I think that's just what the situation is. People who want to say that we need to be optimistic and that things could still go in a good direction really need to can it, apparently they've never learned their lesson. I get the people want to hold on to hope and need to, that's fine. But putting blinders on and acting like this franchise isn't being run terribly is just denial. This is truly a "fuck this" moment.

Welcome to Soxtalk!

Shut up, Greg.

This fucking franchise actually made me wish it had been Ozzie and that is fucking unforgivable. I'm about as numb as I've ever been as a fan of this team. They are determined to fuck things up any way possible. I said it from the start of the rebuild: we are trusting the same people that drove the franchise into the ground with rebuilding. And now here we are.

Even when things are starting to go well, this franchise can't help but be f****** dumb.

True words have never been spoken. The bolded especially is a nice truth dagger.

I personally haven't fallen for much in several years. I am mostly right with how I guess these things play out. Although I think I did fall for this one.

I explained myself and no response since so I assume my point is taken (probably not but we can give the benefit of the doubt).

This is exactly it. Yet so many people get angry at me when I try to explain this bit of realism. Aiming for being lucky is no way to progress as a franchise OR a fan base. Can we just hear the announcement already so I can get all the anger out quick as possible before my weekend?