Look at Ray Ray Run

I completely forgot the Angels threw Nevin out there as a catcher one year. Wild world we lived in back then.

Hiring certainly isn't impactful but it'll never stop being concerning that LaRussa still has his teeth sunk in to this org and is clearly guiding some choices.

Since I always hate on moves on this board, I'll say I like this signing as well. Bryse isn't a star by any means, but he's shown an ability to keep guys off balance and get more from his stuff than it plays. He might be a 4.5 ERA guy, but he's a nice swing arm who can go long relief and start about 10-12 games a year in a pinch. For this price, this is a nice viable bullpen piece who will for sure get lit up sometimes, but should be able to eat enough innings in spots designed for him to do so to be worth his roster spot.

Clevinger has been one of the most unliked players in baseball (by his peers) for nearly as long as he's been in the league. The only guy he got along with was Bauer - another guy no one liked. Edit: and it had nothing to do with politics. Majority of big leaguers are conservative.

Yeah, this is why it's so weird for me. From a process perspective, this trade makes sense if the teams are reversed. Unless the red sox just don't think he's a mlb reliever they can rely on. The White Sox shouldn't be trading any lotto tickets. To those saying they expect to get more for him than they gave. That makes literally zero sense to me. One of his big issues is he's old. He's not getting any younger.

Very weird trade.

RemindMe in 2 months.

Here's the list of the guys who have accumulated 12.5 WAR as OF'ers since Luis Robert entered the league: and CF'ers specifically: Robert is the 2nd youngest name on the list, and on a rate basis he's the 4th best. Lastly, here's Cody's company over the same window (since Robert debut): And I'm back to square one with having no idea how anyone can compare these two players from a value perspective. Very basic analysis.

Because their career trajectories have been incredibly different. You keep talking about Bellingers MVP season. He had shoulder surgery following a seperation in the playoffs that destroyed his swing. This isnt a secret to anyone in baseball. Since then, he was a different player. The new player he became was about half as valuable over a very extended period of time as Luis Robert. Robert is a guy who's best year MAY not have happened yet. That's his trajectory. Bellinger is a guy who's best years were undoubtedly behind him. This is why these two have never made sense. It doesn't means Robert and bellinger won't be equally valuable over the next couple years but it's more likely that Robert is more valuable.

Throwing last year out for both, Robert had been twice the player the previous 4 years. He also is 2 years younger. How are people still arguing their similarities?

I gave a 4 year look where Robert was clearly better. I'm not really sure what more you want.

Nice call! I'm actually a little surprised given Walkers age but the Stros went after Abreu too so maybe I shouldn't be. I'd give everyone up to crowd sourced numbers for those I'm under on.

No one was paying Bellinger for his 2019 year pre-shoulder injury when he was a free agent. He's just a terrible comp in my opinion because their career trajectories are so different.

There's not a lot of guys in the game that get to run 650 OPS' out there year after year, and I misread this the first time so take back the defense comment but I don't think he's a good enough defender to run 650's over and over again, and I have a hard time seeing him get to 700 OPS' in the bigs.

Your comps in this thread have been wild. Robert, prior to last year, had accumulated 12 WAR in his previous 367 games (4 years) averaging 5.3 fWAR per 162 games. Bellinger, prior to last year, had accumulated 6.5 WAR in his previous 425 games (4 years) averaging 2.5 fWAR per 162 games. Robert is 27. Bellinger is 29. You can't comprehend how Robert would have more value than Bellinger. Amazing. For reference: A 5 WAR player is a top 20 player in the MLB. A 2.5 WAR player is in the 100+ range and much more attainable/replaceable.