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You can't argue with any of the actual facts so you'll stick to this small sample size noise. Got it. Glad we could confirm that you're as irrational as those who you critique on this board endlessly.

But this is also not shown in any data. Kopech actually threw more first pitch strikes, threw more strikes generally speaking, got more called and swinging strikes and etc with the Sox than he did with the Dodgers. He lived in the same spots in the strike zone, his release point was unchanged. There were no mechanical corrections or pitch-mix changes. While it's easy to say maybe he tried harder or etc, that also implies that Kopech had something extra the Sox couldn't get out of him and that's just not shown in any of the data anywhere.

You saying it's a fact doesn't make it so. Hope that clears that up!

You disagree that 33 IP is a small sample? What? It doesn't matter what his position is, sample size is predicated on statistical boundaries not area-specific determinants. 33 IP's in the scheme of baseball is obviously a small sample as it's impact on future performance/expectations is less than 3%, even for a reliever. What I find fascinating about you is you love to cite data/stats, but then when the data clearly dispels your anti-Sox conclusions, you decide that you disagree with it in those cases. WSox2023 will be the first to tell you a Sox player sucks and is being lucky because he has a low BABIP, but when a guy leaves the Sox to go elsewhere and has a low BABIP driving success, WSox2023 tells us that it's sustainable in those cases.

No the fact is the Dodgers had some small sample luck while his sox tenure had some small sample bad luck. He was the exact same pitcher in both places.

To follow up quickly on the above, I want to dispel the notion that Kopech was saved by the Dodgers. The difference between Dodgers and White Sox Kopech came down to a few things: Kopech had a 167 BABIP against with the Dodgers vs 284 with the Sox. Kopech had an LOB% of 90% when his career average is around 77% which is around league average. Historically he's HR/FB ratio was 14% and with the Dodgers is was 4%. None of those things are sustainable nor are they adjustments that the Dodgers made to Kopech. His pitch mix was basically unchanged - he threw his slider 2% more and his fastball 2% less, but the White Sox were actually the org that scrapped the Curve and the slider generally this year and told him to throw more fastballs. The fastball itself actually had slightly more quality with the Sox than it did with the Dodgers. Kopech was the same guy in both places he just got different results. That's baseball sometimes.

Do you actually think the Dodgers changed something dramatic about kopech in a couple days? He's a bullpen arm who was certainly capable of having a nice 24 inning stretch. It's amazing how much credit some of you give to coaches or analysts instead of the players themselves.

I've been historically really optimistic but I'm struggling to maintain any optimism at all but I won't squash yours. The sox have pulled all my hope away.

The Dodgers trading for Mookie Betts and giving him a market value contract is the same thing as signing Mookie in FA. It costs the same. There was no mookie discount. He said what he wanted publicly, the red sox scoffed and the Dodgers traded for him to give it to him. 3/5 of yanks rotation were FA. Those 3 in rotation cost 520+ million. Stanton had biggest contract in baseball when they bought him. There's other ways to get free agents that is purely about highest bidder but those don't count I guess.

"We need Crochets value to get other possible less good crochets to get even more less quality crochets after that." When everytime you get a good player, "you need to trade them to build the team" at what point you start asking yourself.... what are we actually building here?

Trading for a guy and then signing him to FA money or trading for a mega-FA contract is the same thing as signing a FA. The Yankees and Dodgers and etc do those things AND they sign big FA. The days of buying a contender has never been louder. Money spent has never correlated with wins more but you proclaim it's over. Amazing.

46 shaking in his boots. Guy apologizing the Kyle faster than he defends a Chris Getz move!!!!

I found both my comments pretty funny.

I know nothing about Will Venable as a manager, so this is absolutely a fair take and one I align with. I think Getz hiring him works against him but I liked Bannister before Getz brought him on board so not everyone Chris hires is an idiot.

Yeah, just look at the final four teams. Only the top 3 in salary made the Championship Series. Not all 4! Take that you spending money noobs!

A rebuild? Are you brain dead? You know for the first 25ish years of my memorable life the Sox never went into a season trying to not win. I complained occasionally about September collapses, the twins owning us, the Indians crushing our hopes late in the year, but i was always engaged. An 82 win team is a thousand times more enjoyable than any rebuilding season. The fact that you think rebuilding again is OK is hilarious. Defending the White Sox spending at the bottom of the league for like 6 of the past 10 years... The best part. You're so delusional that you compare the Sox "rebuild" to Houston. The White Sox aren't rebuilding. Calling this a rebuild is hilarious. Trading any talent you do have continually for younger talent that's uncertain doesn't guarantee anything but a low payroll.

Easier to take it out of my own ass than for you to take it out of Getz' ass.

What has Ethan Katz done?

I'd be fine with your dumbass managing this team. That's how little a manager matters to a team void of talent and hope. I don't pay to watch Will make pitching changes and post a lineup but maybe that's your thing.

They should be trying to win games every year. The fact they fans have lost site of that is fascinating. Embarrassing too.

Imagine being OK with a GM saying we're going to be horrible for at least my first 3 years. So bad that conversations of moving and etc come into the world. Then imagine celebrating a move that guy made. I have no interest in watching this team tank and pocket cash for another three years. You know what would change the fucking narrative? Signing Juan Soto given the zero payroll obligations. Pretending that Chris Getz is turning the tides because he got some manager here is laughable.

Oh, got it. The guy who just lost 120+ games after turning over a roster he didn't like should be trusted to turn the org around.

The team that told everyone they are slashing payroll again, after a historically bad season, is serious about winning because they hired a manager with zero managerial experience who adds very little value because managers add very little value? It's amazing how low some of you have sunk in the world of expectations.

This isn't at all how it happened. Getz was also involved in the initial hire.

Maybe. I have no idea if Venable is a good manager or good at developing young players and the person evaluating that ability... told me Pedro Grifol was sharp. People here hated Renteria but he was actually good at those things.