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Because they have strong union representation pal. That is far from normal in this country. And even then, as you said the option was come back or were done. Most workers have no bargaining power and it's "do the job or take a hike." Again, impoverished people are literally risking the lives of those around them out of fear of being homeless and starving. The company shouldn't have to chose between bankruptcy or putting people at risk for production that is not life or death. That's really the point. The idea that the decision is one or the other is absurd and shows how broken this is. Should the economy have shut down? Uh yeah dude, there's 130,000 dead fucking americans - many of societies most vulnerable - because we as a country decided their lives were expendable and 35-40% of the country didn't give a shit and care about them. That's despicable man. Were some people going to die? Sure, it's a disease. Did this many have to die? No man, look at the rest of the world. And its because the dollar has come before the heart beat, and that's something everyone should be ashamed of. Ones treatment of those who cannot speak; cannot protect; cannot fight; cannot stand up for themselves defines their true character.

This type of commentary makes me want to stab my eyes out. I said this three months ago on this very forum, but the move the country should have made three months ago was to shut down the entire country for 6 weeks. Take care of whoever absolutely had to work - support the workers and companies with a massive stimulus that actually works for small business and all employed people - by getting them access to all the testing and equipment possible. The rest of the nation is closed; the virus would have dissipated and could have been traced/reduced. When you reopened, the economy would have taken a bit to recover, but the recovery would have happened much sooner. I'm not sure what people are watching, but the virus is getting awful again and places are shutting down again, it's just a matter of time before that is everywhere. The confidence in a V shaped recovery is gone. Some states - so worried about a FUNCTIONING economy - reopened way too early and way to lax and now the economy in those states is going to be crushed for another month or two. In 30 days the extended unemployment benefits run out, and 40 million are still out of work and it's going to get even worse as states are forced to shut down a second time but this time there is no unemployment enhancements, there is no PPP. No more mortgage or rent forgiveness. There is no one helping those people anymore, but the virus isn't going away. Of the 40 million that lost their jobs, about 25 million lost their insurance with it. I'm sad and fearful for all those people, and the answer many who aren't at risk have is - those are the breaks, "you gotta take risks in life." Frankly CWS, I'm sick and tired of the poor people in this nation biting the bullet and sacrificing their ass without any help or assistance from people like us - I've been tired of it for a long damn time, and this pandemic just made it that much worse. No person, out of desperation and fear of homelessness, should have to provide me with a damn thing just so I can go on about my life in a convenient and blinded way.

I love how easy it is for many to tell people to go into work and take risks; no businesses bottom line is worth the life of someone else. Period. End of Story. Why is the virus is killing far more minorities and lower income people? Because they have shit work and safety conditions in meat processing plants and other factories. It's despicable. Why do they HAVE to go to work while so many American's are furloughed or working from home? Because their jobs are deemed essential by you, and the government and etc. ESSENTIAL WORKERS who frequently don't have health care, don't make much more than minimum wage, and certainly don't have paid time off. These people have to work because if they don't work, they won't have a house over their head or food on the table for their kids. I was lucky enough to work from home for quite a while, and then we just closed until who knows when because Chicago isn't really open and there's really not business even if some exists. It sucks being out of work - never been in my life - but it sure as hell beats being poor and forced to go take risks you shouldn't have to. I know the virus isn't very dangerous the many, but the poor people that are being forced to work? Well they tend to live together as a family unit in one house - with more at risk people around them. They don't have the choice, and you acting like some strong union proves that the system is fine is laughable to me. No one should have to sacrifice their life or risk the life of their relatives (you only live once in case you didn't notice) so that you can feel more comfortable in your bed at night or at the grocery store. And you better believe if you think their jobs are so damn important that they should put themselves at higher risk than the average American, than they should be compensated accordingly. It's really sad to me that people feel like they have to go to work right now because if they don't, they'll lose their job, or house or life. The system stopped working long about but it was never on display more than when people started citing the importance of the economy as the death toll climbed.

My bad SCC.

Starters are averaging about 5 innings per start now. And you're already carrying at least 1, likely 2 extra pitchers than you usually would, despite there being no more specialists and no long games. A great pinch runner/defensive replacement is worth a small + on the run/win column over the entire season. The 17th pitcher on a roster is almost certainly worth negative runs/wins on a roster over the course of the entire season. In a sprint, getting every ounce of edge out of your roster is so much more important imo. I'd say you have between 180-215 innings going to relievers this year.

I think he is correct too, ftr, but if you got 7 starters deep then them going 3-4 innings still isn't a problem and is still no reason to carry that many pitchers. Those pitchers on the back end - whenever they pitch - are a liability. If you can't beat out Carson Fulmer for a job, you don't belong. Extra position players if used correctly are + on the run column. I just don't understand teams carrying a ton of pitchers when relievers can't be specialist with the 3 batter rule, and extra innings being short with a man starting on 2nd. I agree many teams will, I just think it's the wrong way. I get there are more going into this decision than MLB playing time and etc - especially with the limited practice by everyone everywhere.

Pinch runners and late inning fielding subs to keep people fresh and maximize every potential run scoring chance is a far better strategy than carrying a ton of pitchers. You're saying to carry 18 pitchers when you're likely already carrying 7 starters, and there's no real extra innings and there's a 3 batter rule. You're talking about carrying a guy to let them pitch 4 innings in a season that assists you in winning 0.

I still say it makes no sense to carry more than 13 pitchers; even with 30 man rosters. At most, I'd carry 14. 1. Bummer 2. Cease 3. Cishek 4. Colome 5. Cordero 6. Fry 7. Giolito 8. Gio Gonzalez 9. Fulmer (yeeesh) 10. Keuchel 11. Lopez 12. Kopech 13. Rodon 14. Herera No other pitcher belongs. They'll probably keep bum Marshall and Guerrero up though. They should send the rest to taxi. That's 10 pitchers they should cut, leaving 4 position players out: Basebe, Romine, Vaughn and Delmonico.

Sporttrac has the actual payments made - which is all that matters- to white sox players last year.

This data is wrong. I show the White Sox with 20 players last year earning less than $580,000 and 10 players earning more than 580,000.

They are putting others at risk but to that point, so are many workers that have been forced back. I think if, as a union, they decide they want to play then I agree with you - it's not our place. If states decide the gatherings are for too many people though? who knows then. People talking about fans in the stands already are crazy imo. This virus isn't something that'll just disappear.

I want it to resume but not if it puts a lot of people at risk. I can be excited and worried at the same time.

Just because you and your family are not represented properly because you aren't supported by a union doesn't mean others shouldn't fight for workers rights. In fact, you should be rooting for the players and people fighting for all workers rights - even if you that person makes more than you.

Yup, not even just his but the majority of guys. Even some good players. When you account for taxes and agent fees/etc, these guys are walking away from their careers pre-30 with a million in net revenue. Not struggling, but certainly not filthy rich and set for life by any means.

Average MlB career is under 4 years and no one is getting 4 million in their first couple years. Average salary is inflated by top of the line. Median is well under 4 million. I believe it's under a million.

Yeah, I think this is because they had no college season either because typically you wouldn't be using your arms much at all after you draft them from a college season.

You're talking about, roughly, 3-4 "stretches of games" for a player. Seasons are just a collection of stretches and streaks - even for the most consistent players. I'd say a players streak runs in about 2 to 3 week increments - with some outliers of course - leaving you with 3-4 in a season. If you get in a long rut or a you get on a long hot streak - of the outlier variety - you could potentially be their for the course of the season. It will be interesting to see if players respond to a bad start with more urgency further damaging their play. It's easy to struggle all of April and say I've got another 5 months. When month one is half your season, that pressure might get to some. I think a manager needs to be patient with his guys - a manager can't show panic about a player just because the season is shorter - but also more urgent and press the issue with much more frequency late in games with swaps and pinch runners etc.

Most people think the average MLB player is a lot richer than he actually is. They're not struggling, by any means, but the average major leaguer is certainly not a set-for-life millionaire.

In addition to the schedule, the White Sox are built - at this point - for a small sample run. If they manage this well, they could really excel. Their pitchers already had to be managed, limited, and maintained. Now you can run a rotation 5-6 deep - if you wanted you could run 7 deep and pair back-end starters together. 1-2-3 would pitch alone, and 4-5 would pair for a game and 6-7 would pair for another game. This would allow them to get everyone regular rotation time, with regular rest time, all while controlling the pitch counts and innings limit in a way that's both beneficial for the teams long term and short term. This would be an ideal sprint setup, and it's just one of many options they have with guys like Kopech, Cease, Rodon and etc all needing a little comfort and ease getting back into things. With the three batter rule and no real extra-innings (with runner starting on second), carrying a ton of relievers just seems pointless. They should roster all the starters, and get creative. This will also allow them to roster more young position player talent - keeping the regulars fresher throughout the sprint (60 games in 66 days) - allowing you to put in fielding subs and pinch runners constantly in the 7-8-9th inning which should become much more used if you are the ROAD team and the game is tied. Why? Because you are at a huge disadvantage in extra innings - being unable to only play for one run with the home team also starting with a man on second and no one out - and you need to maximize every run scoring possibility late. You do that by flooding your roster with players, not pitchers, and utilizing those skill sets to maximize your late game run outputs. If you are the home team, you want to do everything to either win the game or force extra's; where again, you have a big advantage. The strategy this year will be interesting. Bullpens should already have been slightly shorter with the 3 batter rule, but now with the extra innings component, a good manager might be able to get extra a win or two extra in a season of 60 games.

I think this is a huge advantage for the Sox; the AL Central isn't the weakest division in baseball but it's one of them, and they get to play 66% of their games vs them. The NL Central, of the NL divisions, is the 2nd best (possibly tied with the NL West). The NL East is the toughest division in the NL imo. The Sox will likely have one of the easiest schedules in the league from a W% perspective.

About 9% of games go to extra innings. So you're talking about - on average - 5 ties per team.

So everyone on, what sounds like, the 60 manish roster will be paid; correct? Will be interesting to see who is on the roster.

I think it's going to be a lot of fun. In my opinion, teams should be treating this next month - as quickly as possible - like a regular part of the season. This is a sprint to the finish, which means it's going to be decided by 3-4 hot streaks, and while that has a lot of luck involved it can also be a lot of fun and a lot of intensity. I'm excited for the sprint even if it's unorthodox.

I'm not a big fan of any physically mature high schoolers. The advantage they have over their less developed peers make them a tough evaluation imo. I want nothing to do with high schoolers throwing 99. That's peak velocity way too young. I'd prefer guys who grow into velocity, and develop as they age. Being fully developed at a young age is a turn off for me. It's easier to look great when your physically further along. It's one reason I liked Howard a lot. Still plenty to grow into but even though he was smaller he was still dominating older kids when he was young.

High school lefties are a little more successful.