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haha OK, 130. Doesn't really change the dynamic for me much.

Boras absolutely plays the media; do you think he lets Heyman fist his ahole every night for fun?

He's a 3 WAR bat IF he plays RF. He's a 1.8 WAR player if you pencil him in as a DH.

Yeah, I agree with this; as I said, I'd give him a high AAV contract for one year to prove his improvements were actually real. The Cubs can't even sign guys for 5 million let alone 20 million. The Giants are always interesting as they may just do it, but man it doesn't make a lot of sense to have him play RF in that ballpark. The Rangers? They have 10000 outfielders already. Castellanos is really just running out of landing spots.

Yeah, but why acquire Mazara if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play nearly everyday? Castellanos would also be very expensive insurance for Mazara. I wouldn't be angry about this, and I'm beginning to think this team actually has a plan for once, but it just seems like a misuse of resources that could be better spent on better fits.

Yeah, and the counter to this is if Mazara is great and truly breaks out now they have two nice trade pieces (Castellanos and Mazara) to acquire another need.

Yeah, I should of said their excitement over the rumor. This feels a lot more like Castellanos agent worrying that the market isn't there (it was always hard to buy the Cubs as a suitor for example), than the Sox actually being involved currently. Without the Cubs and the White Sox, what is his market? San Fran? Am I really supposed to believe that the Giants think Castellanos can play in possibly the toughest RF in MLB?

The only way it would make sense is if they want to give Mazara a 1 year trial, and if he failed they released him and asserted Castellanos into RF - moving him back from DH.

We have people talking about trading Mazara for a RP. This isn't the NBA; the Sox didn't trade for Mazara in hopes of flipping him a week later. Sox fans seem uncomfortable accepting Mazara as the starting RF so they've convinced themselves that there's another move there - citing Puig and now Castellanos. The Sox traded for Mazara to be their every day RF'er; this is why I don't really even buy the Castellanos rumor. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. If they wanted Castellanos, why not just keep Steele Walker and not trade for Mazara?

oh, i don't think he would take my offer but that's what i would offer him. this market has completely cratered in MLB baseball over the last few years though. It took JD Martinez months to get over 100 million and it was only 1 team who offered it to him. Castellanos is no where near Martinez with the bat. Baseball doesn't pay guys like him like they used too. It's possible his market is dead.

Defense matters. Moustakas proved he can play 3rd and 2nd above average at the big league level. Castellanos hasn't even proved he can play the OF and may have a lot less suitors because of that.

Because his bat is no where near worthy of 60 million as a DH and his "defensive improvement" that is being cited by his camp is 2 months of volatile defensive metrics. As I said, he would have had the 7th highest wRC+ for a DH last year in the AL. If he can go out and show that his second half was real, he could demand a lot more money than he can demand right now. If he can prove his defense has actually improved (it hasn't, newsflash), then he opens up the NL market as potential suitors.

Yeah, this is my point as well.

Wouldnt give him 60 million. I'd give the guy 1 year 22ish million with a chance to prove his bat has grown before hitting market again... betting on himself pretty much

I like catellanos bat to grow, but I'm not giving 80 million to a DH whose never had a wRC over 121.

Not saying this is likely, or what's happening, but it would almost make more sense for the Sox to wait out this season and see Moncada duplicate last year and then just throw huge money at him that is similar to a FA extension.

Yeah, and it's not like the question posed to him had anything to do with his tenure on the White Sox.

Ok. As I said hes a 2.5+ WAR player with a wRC+ of 90. The more tools the less risky a prospect. Calling a guy the most risky prospect when he impacts the game in 5 ways just isnt a valid concern imo. Robert is safer than say Eloy who relies on 2 tools to carry his card.

There is a difference between a player saying I love it here and would like to stay... and a player saying I love the organization and would like to be apart of it for life. I appreciated what they did for my friend and I'd like to do the same thing as him. I agree that actions speak louder than words but when asked how he felt about the white sox taking care of abreu, he didn't have to answer that he loved it and would like to do the same. He could have merely supported abreu but instead commented in the impact it had on his desires to remain with the organization.

The fact that hes willing to have these discussions at all make me believe it's very possible.

Don't want to sell this point too much, but Moncada is the only guy who has publicly said he'd like to sign on and stay with the organization for his entire career.

Not sure I agree with this. He's a + defender and + base runner. Right now, with a projected wRC+ of 112 (12% better than the league) Robert projects out next year to be a 3 WAR player in 150 games. If he hit below league average and his defense is as good as advertised he's a 3 WAR player as a below average hitter in the big leagues. That's the safest floor of any of their prospects. The more tools, the safer the prospect.

With this being even reported, I feel pretty good about it happening. 8 years, 90 million should be nice enough to get it done. Huge investment in a guy whose never played in the big leagues, but talk about an upside. If Robert is really good, he's worth 60+ million in arb so they're buying out 2 years at 15 million a piece to buy out the arb years. Seems fair.

This has been a process over the past 4-5 years. It's been slower than some other teams, but they have certainly begun to buy in and implement this organizationally.

Well no, I'm selecting the most recent time frame because it's much more valuable for project-ability than 2014. Wheeler has been much more healthy recently, and he's 3 years younger.