Look at Ray Ray Run

As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true.

I really do too. Love that he wasnt throwing as hard as he could at showcases. Love that his best pitch is a secondary pitch right now. Obsession with velocity is overrated. Love that they took a kid with a nice fastball but advanced secondary.

I'd take peak Frank Thomas over ever single person you listed. DiMaggio played in an era where Frank Thomas wasnt allowed to play. So hard pass there. Aaron never peaked where Frank did. Mays all around was much better but as a hitter soley, during peak years, he was not frank.

A 20 power would likely never hit a mlb home run, let alone 18 of them. Pierre was weak but a 20 power is something youd assign to a high school kid who hits zero homers.

That kids 4 seam fastball had tail too it of like 6 inches. What in the fuck?

What's everyone's love affair with misner here?

I think most people understand how special one of the three greatest right handed hitters ever was.

No, a hit tool requires some power in it to produce a high average. An 80 hit tool with a 20 power would be a guy who would fight to hit 250. Contact quality is really important, and most people who can find contact consistently and play professional baseball will find enough power to hit for great average. That's why people are worrying too much about madrigal. He's not overmatched, he just doesnt have quite enough oooomph on his balls yet to boost his average but hes still getting to everything, putting it in play and not swing and missing. The next step in production will be learning to attach pitches he can drive while increasing his overall hit authority. The reason you take a 70+ hit tool early with power questions is that you need such little power for that grade to matter - below average league power and a 70 hit tool is an elite hitter.

What????? He has the lowest k-rate In ALL of professional baseball jack the lowest swing and miss rate as well (of thousands of professional baseball players). That is literally one of the main basis for hit tool. Power feeds into a hit tool to assist average, but putting every pitch in play and never missing is literally the definition of a hit tool. Madrigal hit tool had absolutely been a 70. The problem is his power hasnt come up yet.

I'm like 98% sure these player evals are prerecorded and these guys keep saying great picks despite not knowing where they're drafted.

Yankees drafting a north east kid. Jesus, probably a steal

Ftr Jack, Mike trout was by far the best high school player alive. It wasnt close but scouts thought far too much about his competition instead of his incredible production.

Comparing Andrew Vaughn to jered Mitchell is like comparing peyton manning to jamarcus russell.

Absolutely shocked to see theo reach for an arm. Reaching for a bat he loves makes complete sense. An arm though? His track record would say this is a disaster.

Just weird. Theo has 20 years of history saying he has no idea drafting arms... and 20 years showing his a position player savant and they draft the riskiest arm possible. Edit: I was gonna say, this made no sense.

The success of right handed high schoolers drafted near the top of a draft is near zero. Josh Beckett is the last one I can think of but I may be forgetting someone.

Please Jack show me factual backing that states the hit tool and power tool are the most volatile. I've been asking for this forever. I am genuinely curious as to where you got this information from.

I'm glad of all the players in this draft, we chose to select the one "professional hitter."

Yeah. Imagine if the kid was from Florida.

Jack, about 1.2 of Goldschmidt's career WAR is tied to his baserunning. That's 1.2 of 37.3 career WAR. I'm not sure why you continue to bring up stolen bases for a 1st baseman as if that's adding a ton of value. His ceiling is not Paul konerko.

Yeah, like... Bagwell clearly juiced his way to the HOF. Hopefully Vaughn doesnt need the same help.

I played on a lot of travel teams and in a lot of showcases with Bowden as a kid. Awesome guy. Great pitcher. Stuff kind of left him as he aged but I swear I thought he was going to be roger Clemens.

Seen him before and talked to some people on the circuit in Illinois and they swear hes the best pitcher the state has seen in my lifetime. I hope he succeeds as I've heard a lot of good things but HS pitchers in general are so damn risky. They are so many innings away from the big leagues. So much could happen. If you ask me he's no Michael Bowden (bias might be getting the best of me again lol)

Jack, my problem with this is you keep preaching upside but then ignore Vaughns. Vaughn's upside is the best hitter on the planet. That's his ceiling. No one else in this draft has that offensive ceiling. Offense ages better than everything you've listed, and offensive value is greatly prioritized over anything else even as DH and 1st baseman - as well as corner outfielders - are being diminished by the market place. Being fast and really good defensively is great, but theres a reason Buxton was sent down repeatedly despite being on a 3 WAR pace In those years and it's because the value of defense/base running is not as valuable as offensive value added.

I think I like Carroll more than every high schooler in this draft but im very bias towards fast twitchy CF'ers.