Look at Ray Ray Run

What is the point of you always stating this over and over? So far, machado hasnt been great by any means. It's not the ballpark, it's his offensive game - its had inconsistencies forever. What I find odd is even if machado ended up not being worth anywhere near 300 million, you'd still be here bad mouthing the Sox for missing out

This is just laughable and you continue to say it. If you dont get a guy who is arguably the greatest right handed hitter of all time, it's not worth it. So apparently if you get Pete Alonso (who Vaughn is much better than so far) it would be a bust.

Are you seriously citing a 10 at bat sample?

Jack has been making up nonsense about Vaughn the entire thread. Not sure why.

So Vaughn has to be a hofer or hes a failure but other guys can be less? Wtf. Jack, calling vaughns bat a dime a dozen just shows your lack of knowledge on vaughn.

You said hes bad against good competition. Show me that. Or Vaughn is a historically good bat prospect. You ever think of that?

Age matters because it's a big advantage to be 2 years older than kids your playing against.

Kid is older than some kids entering their junior year of college. Doesnt even qualify to play on a lot of high school travel teams because hes so old. Vaughn is a generational bat. To pass on Vaughn for some kid 2 years older than some of his peers would be bad. What is athletic about him? Even for his age he grades out under the 50th percentile in pretty much every athletic trait.

It's not about being bold. This is what's happening.

The Sox are drafting either Abrams, Vaughn or Adley. No one else.

Drafting Betty would be reckless.

Kid isnt toolsy enough for me. Not a guarantee to be athletic enough to stick at third. If someone took Betty over Vaughn they should be certified into the local facility.

99% of late minute draft hype is about driving the guy you actually wants price down.

Guy just had an 1050 ops in Cape cod and Jack is telling me he always struggles vs good competition

What are you talking about? He plays in the pac 12 and hes been the best summer hitter in the amateur scene for two years in a row. This is complete nonsense. Once again Jack, stop making things up and present some facts here.

Lol what? Show me where he's struggle vs anyone. He's been the best summer hitter as well.

Have to be concerned about time away from the game with Keuchel and kimbrel at this point. Would take them 3 weeks to get close to full speed I feel like. I'd like to just call up cease and Robert and let the kids play through some stuff together.

Yeah, maybe they focus on different things. Weird, I know. It's almost like they prioritize something else maybe? This may blow your mind, but some players don't want very much data at all. They don't want to do a lot of thinking. What do you do with them? Some of those players could be the best players in baseball. You don't hand out a packet and give weekly tests. This isn't the NFL with playbooks. If a player asks and you don't have it, that's a problem. I could understand doing analysis, finding a deficiency with a player and improving it, but framing in general was in its infancy stages in regards to valuing, and still has its validity and efficiency issues today. Stealing strikes or losing balls is subjective to the decision making of another human that is not you.

Gotcha.

A reach, sure... exaggeration to press a point, sure.. I guess. Dumb is a rebuttal without substance. The point I was making is I always find the business side of sports to be comically reactionary and absurd - this would include the thing you are alluding too. Getz could certainly have been intelligent enough - as a Michigan graduate. Hiring from someone you know is standard and completely normal in the big corporate world - almost preferred! 80% of jobs are networked without and public exposure. In sports, you could be a top 5-7 winningest coach over a 10 year period and be fired for not being top 3. Its absurd. In regards to Getz, we'll see what happens. You don't ever catch up if you're always copying.

How do you have any idea what Chris Getz is educated on or believes in?

I'm confused. Do you want them to pioneer new things or drag behind and follow?

This is what I'm talking about. Carson Fulmer is awful and the White Sox have maximized arm outcomes about as well as anyone so how can you even say that fulmer failed because he was here? No player development team is taking a guy that can't even hang as a middle reliever in the big leagues and turning him into a viable starter. That is valuing player development way too highly. Player development is not getting a player from B to A, but it may take a player from an A to an A+.

Those two combined arent worth Jose Quintana.

The provided him with the information. They recorded the information. They gathered the information. That is the organizations job. In the modern game there is a thing called data overload. You dont want to overload players with immense amounts of data because not all players receive it well. Your job is to maintain and gather and the distribute based on need. The amount of information given to catchers already is immense - about 5 times that of a regular position player - and asking why they didnt supply him with everything he could possibly need represents a misunderstanding of overwhelming a player with analytics and data. Much of this stuff is new to an athlete. We'll agree to disagree here. I know you've convinced yourself that player outcomes are heavily influenced by player development departments but they're just not. They definitely matter - just not on the scale so many try to put it on here.