Look at Ray Ray Run

Collins was not drafted to be a 1st baseman, and if he was he wouldn't have been drafted in the first round. Hence, the risk with the pick, and hence the shooting for the high ceiling.

Jared Mitchell wasn't even GOOD at LSU. I have no idea how you say he wasn't a high ceiling guy. Laughable really. There's nothing safe about getting a reliever with a top 8 pick. There was huge risk attached to Fulmer and Sale. Arguing otherwise is just pointless.

You literally call Collins a high floor guy and then say... if he doesn't catch, he's not an MLB player. He was a big risk to stick at catcher when they drafted him, so there was nothing high floor about him.

Who says they don't give him 2 million and sign 10 other guys between 250-750?

There was nothing safe about: Madrigal - Definitely fits the bill. Very high floor. Collins - Collins didn't have a high floor if he couldn't stick at catcher. He had a high ceiling because HE COULD stick at catcher. He was a risk there. Fulmer - Certainly didn't have a high floor as a starter - most thought he was a risk at that pick because of his delivery. Tim Anderson - the definition of high ceiling, very low floor, when drafted. Rodon - Pretty consensus, I'd say he had a very high floor but there also wasn't anyone they could have drafted with a higher ceiling. Courtney Hawkins - All tools, no productions. Definition of high ceiling terrible floor. Chris Sale - Risky pick, many thought he wouldn't stick as a starter. In the eyes of scouts, Chris Sale did not have a high floor as a starter. Jared Mitchell - The poster boy example for why college does not equal safer. He was about as high ceiling low floor as you get from a prospect. Beckham - He was a high floor guy, hence why he's still around. Clearly, in 2009 the White Sox changed their approach.

You've never seen him play. You have no idea where his skill set is headed. At this point, you're just complaining to complain.

College doesn't mean they attack high floor, low ceiling guys. This entire rebuild has been predicated on high ceiling, low floor guys. I honestly have no idea how anyone could argue otherwise. Moncada, Kopech, Cease, Giolito, Lopez, Rutherford, Robert - every single one of those guys were more tools and hype than production at the minor league level. They all had substantial bust risk attached to them because they were rated highly based on their tools, not their production. As I said, Fangraphs has written multiple pieces on this - regarding the White Sox rebuild direction, and how risky their top elite prospects were compared to other teams who have done the same thing.

Fangraphs has literally done a piece on how the White Sox focused on high ceiling, low floor guys, in this rebuild. But OK bud. I guess I couldn't be more wrong. When people say things like "you couldn't be more wrong" and then don't tell you why, it's kind of a pointless post.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Prospect rankings for guys in MiLB are inconsistent and unreliable; plenty of guys at the top bust, and plenty of the unranked ones become stars. This after watching these guys play professional baseball stateside. Prospect rankings for international prospects is even worse and less reliable; which is saying something. If you trust Paddy, then just sit back and relax. Ideally, a guy like Paddy, would prefer to sign 25 guys than a couple big ones. That's been his MO of success.

Doubtful he will be top 4 for the session starting July 2nd - more likely in the 7-10 range - but what does that matter? I hate to bring this up, as it's painful always... but Tatis was the 30th! ranked international prospect when the Sox signed him. His ceiling, in the eyes of SS2k, was less than Ozzie Guillen. It's not likely someone goes from Tatis to star but it's the exact reason you don't pigeon hole incredibly talented kids with some questions and limitations.

You are pigeonholing a prospect you know nothing about and have never seen play. That's absurd to me.

In this world. Their prospects, their drafting, all say this pretty clearly. I'm not sure what you're confused by. The organization had a draft philosophy of extremely toolsy but raw athletes - with great ceilings but dreadful floors. When they traded the farm, the acquired more tools and less production than the opposite; Moncada, Kopech, Cease etc etc. Those were high risk, high reward prospects. The Sox rarely play it safe. Robert was also a high risk, toolsy athlete, with feel issues. Madrigal is the first guy in a long time that fits the high floor demographic.

Would it really shock you if the Sox had an insider in Cuba that said the kid was likely leaving? Given the Sox prowess in Cuba, that would not shock me at all, and I know nothing about the international prospects so I'm not going to throw a fit that we got one guy over another.

You never know how any of these guys will pan out. The Sox have a history of always going high ceiling low floor over high floor, lower ceiling players. That leads to a lot of busts. Sometimes, it's nice to maybe lock up a guy with a higher floor and a perceived lower ceiling. Those guys sometimes becomes superstars too - see Jose Ramirez. Baseball is a tricky game.

Beltre is one of the greatest 3rd baseman of all-time. Beltre shows you have funny and inconsistent baseball can be too. Anyone who remembers young Beltre remembers that he was considered a bust despite being pretty good. He couldn't hit in LA until his FA year where he hit the 48 HR's - which, at the time everyone thought was juice induced... and after the rest of his career, I'd argue was probably juice induced. Then, he took a big step back the year after with Seattle after signing a big deal. He struggled more in Seattle offensively - being very inconsistent - until he fully figured it out late in his career in Texas. Beltre has had an up and down career though - 5 of his first 12 years were under 3 WAR (4 under 2.4 WAR), and shows the ups and downs of even stars in this game. That said, Beltre was 100% juicing his 48 HR season.

Well, he's not 1 tool at all. In fact, he has one way above average tool and two above average tools and two tools bordering on average/below average. I don't know what to say pal.

Players sign where they get the most money.

Much more limited? He'll be top 10 in his class. Possibly higher. I have no idea what he'll become. But he's not a bottom tier guy next year.

I really dont understand your point here. Someone was going to sign him. The Sox have a great in with Cuban prospects. If they thought/knew he was coming and planned for it, theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

This is a pretty brutal argument pal. So elite players only sign with big teams? That doesn't make much sense.

Seems pretty likely to me. This was from some time back. Which led me to believe the Sox were that team and they felt they could make him wait with their Cuban track record. Whether the kid is any good or not, who knows. Hasnt hit yet, that's for sure. https://twitter.com/longenhagen/status/1092852624989122560?s=20

I don't see it as that puzzling if he was part of the 2019 plan and they were confident he was pushing back.

if they know nothing about you - but for the personal things you brought front and center - why do you care about their accusations anyway? i usually just get a laugh at stuff like that - no point in getting worked up. waste of energy.

If magglio doesnt get badly injured they may have kept him.

They had already retained buehrle once. No where am I arguing all stars should stay for life but they retained him when the time came the first time.