Moan4Yoan

Tomorrow — “Arenado’s agent and Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf could not agree on waiving Arenado’s opt-out clause after the 2021 season in exchange for an additional year in 2027 and $26 million added to his contract. Arenado will remain with the Rockies.”

Cmon... Stone is angrily ranting at Sox fans like a clown just because some guy on Twitter posted a bogus rumor. How many bogus rumors are posted on Twitter daily? Good luck with your never-ending battle against fake Twitter posts, Steve. Maybe next, you can solve the age-old riddle of which came first, the chicken or the egg?

People are finally trolling Stone for being such an angry asshat... https://mobile.twitter.com/stevestone/status/1225595406588891136

This guy will just say that Arenado’s chat with Reinsdorf went poorly so he decided not to waive his no trade clause to go to the Sox. ?

A one year rental for a really good player (~3 WAR) is better than 2 years of a mediocre to bad player who is consistently under 1 WAR each year. The Sox may not even want to bring back Mazara for the second year if he stays his usual self in 2020. Also, like BackDoorBreach already said, just because you already added Mazara doesn’t mean you automatically pass on a much better player. Mazara could’ve always been moved again for a reliever or prospect.

So if the price for Joc decreased because the Dodgers acquired Betts, wouldn’t that price also decrease for the Sox and Bummer would no longer be the ask, had the Sox still been interested?

The Sox thought Shields was worth Tatis Jr. The Sox also spent $40+ million for a load of crap last year. No one is infallible in their thinking. Not you, me, or the Sox.

Agree to disagree. BackDoorBreach already called you out perfectly. Other posters can compare both Joc and Mazara but I can’t. I am using hindsight about wanting Joc over Mazara when I noted there were better options than Mazara at the time the Sox acquired Mazara and Ozuna, Castellanos, and Joc were all still available. Please go back and review BackDoorBreach’s post because he nailed it and you.

And there is also 0.0% that the Sox will outbid the Dodgers or some other interested team.

It’s possible the Dodgers had multiple suitors already, regardless of the Sox involvement.

Here is the latest. Two more Angels prospects are headed back to the Dodgers but the Angels are also getting back Stripling which could offset this additional cost. Unless these two prospects are highly rated, this trade looks very good for the Angels.

Haha, don’t even try to rationalize this. It’s hurting my brain...

There was a thread here about guessing the Sox next player acquisition. I guessed Mazara and was correct. That doesn’t mean I wanted him. But right now, you are making assumptions on what Joc would have cost the Sox, pre-Betts trade. You don’t know! All we know is the current cost of Joc post-Betts trade, which doesn’t look like much of a price to pay so far. If you wouldn’t rather have Joc than Mazara right now, I seriously question how much you want the Sox to win. Because there is no doubt that Joc helps the Sox win more games than Mazara. In fact, Joc helped the Dodgers win more games above replacement last year than Mazara did in his entire 4 years with the Rangers.

I disagree. My view is fact-based. Your view is opinion-based. Better players based on track record is based on facts. Completely objective. Better options based on team fit, window of contention, and salary is based on your own opinion. Completely subjective.

Hindsight about Joc? The Dodgers were rumored to be willing to trade Joc before they even showed interest in Betts. Acquiring Betts just made it even more likely that they would trade him.

Quite simply, the Sox had money to spend, all three players are better performers than Mazara, and each player came with a different price range, so take your pick.

Excellent post. He keeps trying to put words in my mouth and he is wrong every damn time. And I prove him wrong every damn time when I respond. Thanks for noticing.

They could have spent more money on RF for sure but the overall spending was fine. A much better offseason than completely wasting $40+ million like last year. Like night and day different.

I complained about the Mazara trade when it actually occurred and cited examples of better targets that could have been acquired instead, specifically Ozuna, Castellanos, and Joc. Many people said the same thing at the time. Try again.

False. Better options than Mazara were acquired after the move was made — Ozuna, Castellanos, and now Joc.

Perfectly stated. ?

So far, the rumored trade looks like this: Dodgers get: INF prospect Luis Rengifo Unnamed prospect from Angels Angels get: OF Joc Pederson OF prospect Andy Pages Unnamed MLB starting pitcher from Dodgers Steele Walker was a higher rated prospect than Rengifo but we will have to see the rest of the names involved. Also, I think it is you who are greatly undervaluing Joc, not me overvaluing him. Honestly, it isn’t even close... Mazara’s lifetime WAR: 1.8 Joc’s 2019 WAR: 3.3

Exactly... https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/minnesota-twins/ Kenta Maeda rhp 8 years/$25M (2016-23) 8 years/$25M (2016-23) signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 1/7/16 $1M signing bonus 16-23: $3M annually annual roster bonus: $150,000 for making Opening Day roster $6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS $3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $750,000 200 IP assignment bonus: $1M with each trade becomes a free agent at contract’s end perks: jersey No. 18. Four round-trip business-class airline tickets between Japan and LA annually. Interpreter. Travel expenses, accommodations, visa costs for a player support staff member acquired by Minnesota in trade from LA Dodgers 2/5/20

I liked every move the Sox made this offseason except for Mazara. You can’t argue that there weren’t better options available and it seems like the Sox settled on Mazara early. It’s not like I am complaining that the Sox didn’t acquire Betts here. But both Mazara and Joc were realistic options to acquire and the Sox were interested in both. Of course comparisons will be made between the two.

Go back and read his post again. He mentioned Mazara twice in the very post you are referencing. So it’s okay for him to make the comparison but not me? Wow. ?