Moan4Yoan

Bruce Levine with just an absolutely hilarious take on defending the Sox offer and ripping on Machado’s decision on The Score. He is getting shredded by Mully and Haugh. Will be worth a podcast listen later for a good laugh.

You can say that about any big free agent contract, so just never sign any top free agent, including two future Hall of Famers?

I like this offer. A million over the Stanton deal so it is still technically the new largest contract in MLB history? i would do it, you would do it, but Hahn and the gang likely won’t because they are worried about those 9th and 10th years when they have absolutely no clue what the team will look like. Which still seems like an excuse just to not spend money.

Great post. Hahn and the gang failed miserably at the negotiations table and now are failing at spinning it to the fans. They must assume we are all stupid, meatball fans. No Rick, an incentivized $70 million is not better than $50 million guaranteed. And that’s without even mentioning the lack of an opt-out in their offer. Go try to sell this absolute BS to someone else. The right thing to do now and immediately would be to throw all of their money at the other Hall of Fame player that fills their other massive hole in RF but I don’t expect the Sox to actually do the right thing that makes complete and utter sense.

Exactly. Hahn, you failed miserably with Machado who would have fit the team well. But you still have a massive hole in RF. You said the money will still be spent. Do the right thing and spend the money you have available on the other future Hall of Famer. There will not be another 26 year old Hall of Fame talent available on the free agent market any time soon.

Yes, ultimately there’s no way Hahn and the gang weren’t informed of the offer they would have to match or exceed to acquire Machado’s services. This is what agents do. Maybe this learning experience will teach Hahn the lesson that wasting $13 million on family and friends is pointless because free agents take the highest offer so just give the guy the most damn money. And that $13 million on Alonso and Jay could have been added to the Sox offer, along with even more money Hahn wasted on other stop-gaps this offseason.

Yep, instead of sealing the deal they were trying to get Machado on a discount and at their own price due to the lack of teams interested. The Sox ultimately waited long enough for another team to swoop in and seal the deal. Just some awful negotiating by Hahn and the gang.

Q sure isn’t but they are still competing regardless of that trade so it hasn’t impacted them all that much. Yes, Tatis is a “potential” cornerstone but Machado is a proven cornerstone and the Sox missed out on their target that they had been planning for over a year to acquire.

“Potential” cornerstones. And I would guess ultimately fine, when they watch their team win another 85-95 games and make the playoffs. We get to watch another losing season without the proven franchise player added to our roster that should have been a lock with the money Hahn had available this year and going forward.

Does anyone care about Hahn’s opinions on opt-out clauses or his comments on how they can be more productive when he didn’t even offer one to the 26 year old future Hall of Fame free agent? If you won’t offer one to Machado, you won’t offer one to any player so what’s the point of discussing it? What a joke.

How can you not lament it? Of the 6 players Hahn acquired this offseason, 4 (Nova, Alonso, Jay, and McCann) are likely gone after this expected non-competitive 2019 season. The remaining 2 (Colome and Herrera) are likely gone after the 2020 season. This is the very definition of the type of stop-gap players Hahn said he wouldn’t be acquiring. All of the money ($40+ million, and add in a little more to hit $50 million) Hahn spent on these guys could have been thrown at Machado up-front or in the form of a signing bonus who more than likely makes the Sox more competitive in 2019 and going forward than this entire collection of mediocrity Hahn acquired this offseason who will impact 2019 and 2020 only. its the same old front office mentality from the Kenny GM days that Hahn ascribes to as well that they can potentially build a winner with a bunch of cheap retreads and hope for the best because Kenny hit the jackpot one offseason in 2005.

No, the majority realizes this. It’s about going forward, not just 2019. Anyone who responds with, “he’s only a difference of 5-6 wins” is just in denial and deflecting on how epic of a failure this was for the Sox front office. These same people who don’t think that missing out on Machado is a big deal should also answer where else these 5-6 extra wins will come from going forward, cuz it sure isn’t coming from the mediocre stop-gaps that Hahn spent $40+ million on this offseason.

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Because at the end of the day the Sox just don’t want to spend the type of money it takes to get a deal done with a superstar. The rest is just becoming more and more lip service for the fans. It’s embarrassing. These are two potential Hall of Famers.

I think I’m mostly disappointed that our front office “wizards” in Hahn and Kenny apparently think that the possibility of earning $70 million in potential 9th and 10th option years is more valuable than $50 million guaranteed for those last two years. Machado would have to get 550 at bats at age 34 to receive the $70 million, otherwise, the Sox would be off the hook. Yeah, just give me the guaranteed $50 million...

Well, freaking nut up and pay Harper what he’s worth. Hahn talked about having no monetary limits one moment and now seems to be channeling Kenny’s “you can’t spend a dollar if you only have 50 cents” quote.

Why would you want to have to do nothing to earn $50 more million guaranteed when you could just stay completely healthy at age 34, get your 550 at bats, and then bank a cool $70 million? ,

He also owns a Cubs minor league farm system in South Bend. https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewcave/2016/10/30/why-i-sold-the-white-sox-and-bought-the-chicago-cubs/#70eefe42274e

Honestly, the Sox could be in the same situation with Harper as they were with Machado except more money will be required to sign him. It seems there may be only one competing team (Phillies) for Harper’s services if the Nationals have truly withdrawn their $300 million dollar offer and the Giants only want him on a short-term deal. Harper also helps you recoup his contract money more than Machado with ticket sales, merchandise sales, and endorsements. He is a much bigger fan draw than Machado and is also on the cover of MLB The Show this year. But if Reinsdorf’s framework for a Harper deal is below the Phillies offer just like the Machado deal was under the Padres offer, none of this matters.

Excellent. Thank you! Okay, let’s get this done. Bryce — Manny may not have been given the option to play SS with the Sox but you sir can play either CF or RF. Take our money, please!

Yes indeed, good sir.

If Harper signs with the Phillies, then Joc2Sox?

If a mod can do it, sure. I’ll keep up the slim faith...

He has $300 million reasons not to care. ?

He also seems to be hinting that he would rather pay that much for Harper... ”a face on and off the field, a leader, a brand”? That is Harper, not Machado.