poppysox

Everyone is disappointed but the guy is entitled to take less money to play elsewhere. Surely there are a couple more players around who could improve the club. The Winter Meetings start next week. Lets get the bullpen improved and a RF situation fixed. Rick and Kenny are at least as frustrated as we are. They'll get er done.

The 80 win as constructed is conservative IMO. The five people you mention add a lot of firepower to this team.

I think there is a lot of good from an experienced left hander that still pitched 207 innings. Other sites are referring to 4 years at 80 mil. Sounds like a lot but maybe that's the cost of playing this FA game.

Yep...MadBum is OK but the money is nuts. 15 million per yr would be tolerable but apparently not doable.

Yeah...a 10 year pitchers contract is going to happen.?

I hope none of us would entertain that as a good move.

I would be doing Engel with some Leury sprinkled in. Defense is better and he keeps his head in the game. Actually starting to hit a little as well.

A huge contributor many years ago.

Doesn't sound unreasonable when you consider the whole 5 year home/work experience.

Your place of preferred residence does matter if money between two places of employment are equal. I would choose Chicago or Midwest over East Coast if all else was equal.

I'm leaning toward Ryu as well. More potential upside at a lower $ commitment.

True but irrational.

Bum has a 3.90 ERA with 207+ innings and 1.9 BB/9. Not Sandy Koufax but not doo-doo. Ryu is OK as well for the right price. Both are good additions if the $ and years are reasonable. Doesn't seem like our FO is trying to be cheap...just prudent.

14-12 games are fun to watch but very hard on the nerves.

Don't forget the bullpen. With our offence we will be scoring a lot. Pitching whether from starters or bullpen needs to keep us in the game. We won't be out of very many games.

We will probably have something to cheer us up by end of business tonight.

The offseason just started. Let the next couple of weeks play out before we panic.

Yep!

Monster offensive squad and monster bullpen.

Might be a blessing in disguise. Just need to see how the money is now used.

I hate Wheeler.

Wheeler would have been great at 5 years 100 million. I don't blame the FO for setting max value on potential candidates. 23+ million per year is above what most of us were thinking it would take. We will have to see the offseason play out before making judgements. I wouldn't mind getting serious about building the best bullpen with some of those extra dollars we didn't spend.

Yeah...what a relief. Lots of better fish in the sea.?

Yep!

We are overdue for a huge win.