KipWellsFan

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) It'd be a lot more fair and balanced than hearing nothing but the daily body count from the mainstream media. Also, there you go again calling conservatives stupid. Just because they don't hold the same opinion as you do does not make them any less intelligent. You can veil it any way you like to, you can deny it ill you run out of breath but the fact is that the left thinks conservatives are all a bunch of idiots. People that call the media pinkos are being stupid.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) They don't have to be fair and balanced, dipweed. By reporting good news, they will already be balancing out what you normally get from there. News people are supposed to report the news, not what they think should be the news.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) Like the assholes in Britain who asked how 59 million some odd people could be so stupid when Bush won? :banghead It's quite simple Nuke, that's how the entire World generally feels. How is it even possible to imagine the horrible human rights abusers in CHina get polled as being a better influence in the World than America? It's completely out of whack and you have George and his backers to blame. But of course this is just because the world's media is out to get them. :rolly

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161463,00.html I'm sure their report will be fair and balanced as always. I don't know what media they're listening to. I love that intelligent people are out there to tell us the truth The foxnews article actually outlines very well what's going good in Iraq. We don't need a bunch of agenda minded people telling us that. Are people on the left going to believe them? Of course not.

Yah they should go walk around the streets of Tikrit, Baghdad and Fallujah (if it's even there anymore), see how many of them get kidnapped. And please quit it with these claims that the media is leftist of all things, that is unbelievably stupid. If the American media is leftist than every other nation's media is pure communist garbage.

Aren't there a ton of US factories in China?

Chris "Don't Bite My" Widger

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 5, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) The new rules are atrocious. The all-star break as a whole is a farce in my opinion. Is it North America vs World in the Homerun Derby?

Who is this O'Donnell guy anyway? Is he a democrat or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_for_food The neocons are only interested in freedom and democracy when it benefits them geopolitcally, everything else is rhetoric. Their alliance with Uzbekistan is an example. tons more at link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan

lol, it was late

I don't have to privilege to have the channel but I have done some reading and watched Control Room. wikipedia is always a wonderful source EDIT: thanks to Michael Moore though documentaries seems to have taken a hit in their reputation. But I'd urge anyone to check it out before they judge it.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?act=Post&CODE=00&f=1 Nasa is incredible!

You don't have to know much about Al-Jazeera to know they aren't a terrorist network or the enemy. Besides if we don't discuss things where we don't have expertise we'll never be encouraged to learn more about them.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2005 -> 07:11 PM) Those amenities (heat, electricity) are made available by wealth. That's what is at the heart of it all. Good point

Rhetoric praising the UN? Terrorists hate the erosion of their ultra conservative values. Don't they want to live without amenities such as heat and electricity. I didn't think it had much to do with wealth but I could be wrong. EDIT: of course there are all kinds of different terrorists, with different aims and reasons

I'd agree that insurgents are terrorists but I don't think Kofi is implying that they should be included. He says that the process needs to be all inclusive, but makes a point of mentioning those who aren't interested in contributing. I'm just not sure what you mean EM. EDIT: Also Kofi never even mentions the Liberation, his piece is about progress after liberation.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 3, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) Insurgents = terrorists. You like to play the semantics game when it suits your purposes. And you please tell me just what the UN actually DID to help facilitate the election. Did they supply troops, or security forces to help ensure that the people could freely vote? What did they actually do? If they did something, please tell me. As for your parsing on all the rest, if someone read that piece that didn't know anything prior that happened, they would come away with the impression that the UN played the main, pivitol role in the liberation and elections in Iraq, which is as far from the truth as Kip Wells is from being a good pitcher I do completely agree with your last sentence. I already outlined the UN's involvement in the elections. I guess they didn't facilitate the elections and the coalition troops deserve props for that, but Kofi as I noted wasn't really taking a ton of credit for it anyways. again http://www.unfoundation.org/iraqelections.asp

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 3, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) Kip, can you read? I just farted, and yes I can read. His piece doesn't claim to have created it, they passed in in the UN security council. And please give me where it says the US came up with this timetable. Yah I already refuted this stupid point. If you could read you'd notice he barely gloated at all, and seeing as what they did for the election, they should be able to take some credit If you could read you'd realize he never mentions including terrorists. Here's an idea Evil, thank Kofi for warning that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, no threat to the United States, for trying to stop tens of thousands on innocent civilians from being killed, from 1800+ US soldiers from being killed in a War that really doesn't affect them or their families And just to make sure I have all my bases covered, I said earlier Something which he has yet to really do... that I know of

http://www.unfoundation.org/iraqelections.asp http://www.uniraq.org/

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 3, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) Kip, you don't know s***. You profess to 'be sure' that the UN is doing more than can be seen or proven. Why is that? Maybe because you want to believe it. Show me something they are doing other than creating layers of government and red tape. They didn't want to be there, they didn't want us there, and they sure as hell aren't doing anything to help the situation, except trying to take credit for whatever successes are there. And why wouldn't Kofi lie? He lied about everything else. You seem to ascribe a 'can do no wrong' attitude to those that you agree with (kofi, Kerry, etc.), but a 'can do no right' attitude to those you don't (Rove, Bush, etc.). Get your head out of your ass and wake up. They all lie, they all tellthe truth, they all are in it for themselves, they all f*** up. Lied about everything else? What in gods name are you even talking about? When did they say they didn't want to be there? Aren't doing anything to help, f***, that's clearly bulls***. Talk about being blinded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq sounds like they are cutting through some red tape there The UN has been s*** on like crazy with Hans Blix and going over their head to fight this whole f***ed up War. The US has delegitmized themselves with their allies around the World and they've taken the United Nations with them. I'm no expert on how the United Nations is involved in Iraq right now. But I doubt Kofi is just straight out lieing about their involvements. Prove that they are just stalling progress with this "red tape".

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 3, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) Take the words "UN" out and put "US" in and you have it about right on your last paragraph. For once, I really wish we WOULD stay out of everyone's business, including that great country to the north of the United States, and see how long you people last on your own. You're right I should have put US as well, but I think many people probably underestimate the UN's role in Iraq now. And the whole Canada would be screwed without the US point is getting old.

Charles Schumer calls on Rove to deny claims in person, not through lawyer http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopN...-bc-us-leak.xml

here's the resolution 1546 http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...8resolution.htm and Allawi and Powell agreeing to it OH my god he's just raving about how the UN successfully held the elections! And he goes into such great detail about how the UN was involved.