Danny Dravot
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Just now, mqr said:
We're beyond the pale at this point.
In what way?
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Just now, mqr said:
fingers crossed that without DJT screaming for no masks and all that, the moderate repubs will wake up on this stuff.
I saw something a few weeks ago that Mitch McConnell hadn’t been to the White House in a month or two because Trump and co clearly had a different idea about masks than he did.
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So...how does this actually work? I mean, I vaguely remember Obama winning Ohio and hitting 270 and Romney conceding, so that was that. At this point, Biden has won MI and WI, so NV will put him at 270. PA is irrelevant. That should be a wrap, but of course Trump isn’t going to concede. Do we have to wait for a bunch of lawsuits to conclude or is Biden pretty much officially the president elect (assuming NV, of course)?
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Fell asleep on the couch with the TV on. Woke up to Trump saying he did win the election and this is all some sort of travesty.
What the hell did I miss?
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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:
Said it numerous times - the whole world has implied anyone that votes for Trump is a racist ahole; thus people keep their trump card very close to the chest and it is very difficult to get good data on it. Just like 4 years ago - it continues to look better and better for Trump. In general - not seeing much signs of a blue wave. I don't give a rip about the blue wave - cause I"m not a democrat...but I do care about getting us a blue president. I'd actually prefer a temporary blue wave just so I can get some real stimulus (even if I won't fully agree with the method - our economy needs it and it will only happen with that).
I agree with a lot of this. Looks like Trump will win Texas, but I would have been thrilled if Trump lost Texas but Cornyn won. Trump would go away and any honest reflection would tell President Biden that he’s only there because he’s not Trump- no progressive mandate, just a bit of calm.
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3 minutes ago, Stinky Stanky said:
Once you get there, what are you going to do for a living? You're right about SF and the rest of CA. Crazy cost of living.
No idea. I live in a low COL area (relatively) and the wife and I both have good jobs, so we’re in the clear. But you can’t be the breadwinner of the family with a minimum wage job and live in SF. It’s not feasible. Even my own budget would be blown out of the water if I tried it in a place like that.
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Graham wins in S.C.
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1 minute ago, Texsox said:
Four years ago I went to bed confident we ejected our first female president and slept well.
I don't expect to sleep much tonight.
To be fair, we did eject her.
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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Watching Star Trek and drinking whiskey.
Whatcha got? Wife and I will dip into a bottle of Grangestone 25 y/o later.
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7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Man, this is about as misinformed of a take as it gets. As to your genocide point, that has been debunked as complete nonsense.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-truth-about-chomsky/2779086
This is getting off topic again, but insinuating that Chomsky is a linguist just shows a complete lack of understanding of his reach, background, and knowledge. I would guess you have never read a single book written by the guy, but you conclude about his knowledge and cite a talking point that was used to try and demean a man who called out the hypocrisy of US politics and leaders for decade upon decade. He has more intellectual integrity than most anyone I have read/researched and that doesn't mean I agree with everything.
Since you wanted me to read Chomsky, here’s something you can read about Chomsky:
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf
I’ve wasted far too much time here today so I’m going to bow out now. Enjoy your day.
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20 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
People in the US are denied treatment for their children, or bankrupted by it, but that doesn't scare you. In my twenties, I went 8 years without a doctors visit because I hadn't broken into my industry yet and my health care was complete trash. Our health care system deters people from using it. That is incredibly broken.
Additionally, what scares you about Chomsky? Chomsky is more intelligent than the people you listen to on these topics. You can disagree with his politics, but it's nearly impossible to argue his intelligence and intellectual integrity.
Chomsky literally discusses how big corporation and insurance companies have released propaganda to stow uncertainty within the population pertaining to universal health care. For fifty years this propoganda has degraded away at workers right and health care; in addition to climate change.
Oh. Did I tell you who I listen to on these topics? I don’t recall that.
Whatever you think you know about me, you should reconsider. You don’t know anything about me or who I listen to.
Chomsky is a dilettante. He is a professor of linguistics so he should talk about linguistics. When he wades into other topics, he does idiotic things like downplaying the Cambodian genocide. I don’t fear him. I think he’s a massive clown.
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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Read Chapter 2 of this book: https://www.amazon.com/Climate-Crisis-Global-Green-Deal/dp/178873985X
I believe the free-preview covers thru the end of chapter two. If not, I'm happy to share the entire text with you.
It goes over why you have been brainwashed to feel this way through a massive misinformation campaign. I don't blame you as you are merely the victim of a billion dollar campaign to deceive you. They touch on health care and how the disinformation campaign there relates to the environmental issues that we are dealing with as well.
I said I’m open to an idea but had a particular fear about it, which isn’t contrived (the only people who should have had a say in the treatment of their child were denied that say) and you tell me to read a Noam Chomsky excerpt on how I’m a brainwashing victim? Uh, great argument buddy.
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20 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
You should take an open minded look at universal healthcare. The US pays a much higher percentage of it's GDP than any of it's western allies with socialized medicine. Universal healthcare is objectively cheaper.
I’m open to a public option, but it’s not something I think a ton about.
I do fear excessive government control of any aspect of our lives. Two names that come to mind in healthcare are Charlie Gard and Alice Evans. Both were British infants who had rare and lethal diseases. Parents wanted to take them elsewhere for experimental treatments but the Brit hospitals took them to court to have their ability to move their own children denied. The hospitals won and both children passed away.
That comes off as incredibly unjust to me, but in a socialized system more groups would get a say than just those patient and his/her loved one. If M4A was enacted here, would it lead to cases of this sort?
Either way, I want what’s best for America. If universal healthcare would save Americans money and produce a better result while respecting people’s freedom of choice, I’d be open to it.
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3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
This is also a great unintentional side point. I am sure you noticed the demographics of the people who get to fight the wars. Keeping enough of American poor and without opportunities keeps a ready supply of people who see themselves as having no other options but to take the military route.
I was an infantryman so if anybody feels like they have no other options, they probably don’t go that direction. The people I served with were for the most part enthusiastic about our role in the world and happy to be the tip of the spear.
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5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Didn't think there was a single person out there who would still defend the Iraq war, but we found one.
There were no WMD's, please stop pushing a lie that has been debunked over and over and over.
And the war on terror was another meaningless war to enrich defense contractors and increase military funding. Unless you think somehow we have accomplished something with that war that has destabilized the region further, created mass fractions, and caused even more civil war and unrest while killing millions of innocent people.
ROFL. You’re wrong about WMDs as I already pointed out. Your last part is conspiratorial lunacy- we know why Afghanistan occurred. We watched it on TV. Even without that atrocity, it was righteous to pull the Afghan people away from the grips of the Taliban. The area was already fractionalized and always has been, but we didn’t need to let that reign of terror continue.
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1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
They signed up under the premise of protecting the countries freedoms pal, not under the guise of enriching the 1% via resources and oil. There were no WMD's in Iraq. They went to war on a lie that revolved solely around Oil. No one signed up to protect fossil fuels. That is not stated by a single military recruiter.
Operation Avarice recovered hundreds of Iraqi chemical weapons in 2005. So that's wrong. And Afghanistan had nothing to do with oil at all. Neither did Iraq, for that matter. Trump idiotically suggesting pilfering oil supplies in the area and was laughed at for it. That's not why our forces were there and you know it.
I'm out. Have a nice day.
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6 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
I would still want you helped even if you don't think it's important. “A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.”
We are not all dealt the same cards and I don't know how people ended up in certain situations but I believe we have a duty to help our fellow man regardless.
I respect your opinion but disagree. I hope if I were in such dire straits, I would be true enough to my principles to refuse such help. Either way, have a nice day.
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Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Good for you dude; I had a best friend who died in Afghanistan. He signed up for the National Guard under the premise they would help him pay for school. He was told he would not be shipped off to war by his recruiter and that it was a way to pay for an education and gain some discipline and experience.
He was shipped out 12 months later, and died 3 weeks after. Spare me your nonsense.
Dude, I'd like to have a civil conversation, but you can spare me that bullshit, actually.
Sorry about your friend. Genuinely. The guy who slept in the bunk next to me at boot camp died in Afghanistan a week after his daughter was born. They "met" via Skype and then he was gone. When I was down range, we pulled the body of a KIA out of a creek five days after he went missing in an IED belt. I'll remember that day for the rest of my life.
Your friend signed up. Shipping out was always possibility. I met a couple of guys over the years who didn't want to deploy, but when they signed up, that was a risk they were taking. People are welcome to sign up for the health benefits and education and so forth, but that's the risk.
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5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
So wait, they deserve it?
Yes, much of them are addicted to Opiods - that were pushed by the Sacklers not as medication, but a drug of addiction that would enrich their family and destroy the lives of millions. The sacklers got rich and now face no true accountability for being the largest drug dealers on the planet; meanwhile, poor people go to jail for selling a gram of weed.
Or, many of them are soldiers suffering from PTSD that they acquired by being forced into meaningless wars that were fought in the name of oil and money for defense companies.
But yes, tell us how you empathize with people who you go on to state deserve their fate.
We have degraded the safety net in this country over the past fifty years to reinvest that money into a very finite percentage of the population so they could live lavishly and without accountability.
I was a soldier and I fought in one of those "meaningless" wars. Nobody forced me to do that. We can agree to disagree on everything else, but please don't talk about soldiers like they were victims of some nefarious plot. We knew what we were getting into.
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3 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
We are just going to agree to disagree and that's fine. May you never be in a vulnerable state and I drive by you because I thought you were a failed human being.
Should it happen, nobody will be responsible for it but me.
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7 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
Listen, you are playing checkers when you should be playing chess. They do this systematically for let's say 2-3 states (in reality they could do more). Not only is it 9 EVs but that's 6 senate seats and some reps seats as well. That is effectively a coup.
This is nuts, man. You can postulate about it, but you can't point to it actually happening because it hasn't. It never will.
Google has about 100,000 employees worldwide. In 2016, Trump won each of the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Montana by over 100,000 votes. He won Idaho by 200,000+. So even if Google decided to place EVERY SINGLE ONE of its employees in Fargo, and every single Silicon Valley Google bro decided he was fine with moving his life out there, and every single one of those lads and ladies was an ardent liberal, North Dakota STILL would have gone for Trump.
You're not playing chess. You're playing Calvinball.
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1 minute ago, pettie4sox said:
The bolded is your opinion. I do not believe in the richest country on earth we should have homeless people begging for money and sleeping on the street. We can pull money out of our asses to give 5T to rich fucks but we cry poor when it comes to helping our most vulnerable. The US a fucking failed state. Just because some are doing well and think all is good in their egocentric bubbles doesn't mean other people are doing great. If we start taking care of our vulnerable population America will run like a fine tuned machine. The rich people will still get their dough because people will have money to spend. Not everyone can work or find great jobs... your location and the local economy dictate what jobs are available for the most part. That is why metro areas have the most people... more opportunities in theory.
The last part, you're telling me some poor broke ass person could easily find a house if they wanted? I would give you whatever odds you want in a wager you're dead wrong. The government's job isn't necessarily to be a nanny to its people but to have resources available to help people who are down in a succinct manner. If this pandemic taught the US anything, it should be that this country is a virus away from totally crumbling and that's because it's foundation is weak.
Likewise, the bolded is your opinion.
I empathize with the homeless. But you must consider that many of them deal with substance abuse and mental health issues. It's not simply like you're going to hand them $1,000 a month and their problems are going to vanish. You think the US is a failed state? You're free to do so, but I think many of these are failed human beings. You're living in a fantasy land if you think this is unbelievable just because the nation as a whole is wealthy.
I disagree with the idea that we gave 5T to rich people. You can disagree with tax cuts, but if you can't see that there is a massive difference between "you may keep more of this money you made" and "we are going to give you money these other people made", then I just don't know what to tell you.
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2 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
The EC is susceptible to manipulation. These smaller states with sub million population could be overrun with states with larger liberal populations pretty easily. If you flood ID, WY, UT, The Dakotas with 300k liberals, you change the dynamic of the entire state with one swoop. I rather not have that level of influencing elections by opening up tech businesses in these areas and effectively coup-ing the shit out of these states. The EC needs reforming and fast because both sides like it for their own partisan reasons, there is nothing to stop what I just stated and repubs would absolutely cry foul.
So if Google, Apple, and Microsoft decided to move their entire operations to ND at one time, assuming those techies are an ideological monolith in the first place, they could steal three whole EC votes, and that’s why you don’t like it? C’mon man, that’s as nutty as something Q would come up with.
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2 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
Good for you, you're one person. These policies help the mass amount of people that aren't able to get by. I'm well off but I know these policies will help my fellow man and I care about my neighbors. Pretty selfish on my part.
So support a limited welfare state, which I do. You and I don’t deserve $1k extra a month just for being alive. So scratch UBI entirely. I can pay for my health insurance, so let’s establish a public option for the neediest but let those who can handle it themselves do so. Rather than trying to live off minimum wage, encourage self improvement and let teenagers make $7.50 an hour. There is affordable housing out there but it might not be in SF or Brooklyn (hell, I couldn’t even afford housing in those places). So get out there and find it.
2020 Election Thoughts
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Appreciate the response, but I guess that means we’ll just drag this out until December? Oh joy.