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I mean there's a difference between tanking for a high draft pick and just not being in a position to be competitive. I don't think they were necessarily tanking, but I don't think they were trying to be competitive either. I think they were trying to field a respectable enough team to play out the season while focusing mainly on the early stages of the teardown. That the team they put together ended up being the worst in history deserves every bit of criticism and ridicule it's gotten, but I don't subscribe to the notion that it happened while they were trying to actually compete.

Definitely extends past blame and anger stuff. Just a very binary approach to things and lack of nuance in general. Anyway, get off my lawn.

I think this says more about JR than it does Getz, but maybe that was your point.

I don't know who these "most" are that you're referring to because I have not seen that opinion. But to answer your question, yes, Getz is to blame for last year. As is JR. As is Hahn. As is Grifol etc. It's a long list. I don't understand the obsession with trying to choose a single person to assign blame to.

What are you implying?

Lol I think you're taking that prediction post a little too seriously.

Eh, I don't think so. I think Haniger's toast and the guys you mention are only "almost toast." Unless Haniger has some defensive value that I'm not aware of.

I guess I'm putting more weight on process than results. Results wise, obviously it couldn't have gone any worse. But process wise, I think doubling down on the remaining core instead of tearing it down to the studs would have been way worse.

I think I mostly agree here, but I'd say the grade is more about how patient you're willing to be rather than your current belief in the process. Most of the hires made and changes being implemented are longer term things, so it'll be awhile before we know what kind of results they'll yield. For that reason, I disagree equally with giving an F because the roster right now sucks and giving a higher grade because changes have been made without knowing if they were beneficial changes yet.

It’s sort of a weird time to assign a grade since we’ve only experienced the painful (but necessary) steps of the rebuild so far. That being said, I gave a D. Not an F because it seems like there’s a plan slowly coming into focus, and because it was always gonna be a difficult overhaul for the state the franchise was in when he took over. But definitely nothing higher than a D because many of his trades and roster moves have not been impactful enough for the future (so far). If we do this again in a year, the grade can be a B just as easy as it can be an F.

I disagree

Robert. It’s gonna be a while before we see a player with that kind of talent in the lineup again, so I’ll enjoy it while he’s still around, warts and all.

That is one hell of a generic white guy lineup.

Eh I don’t mind this part. I find it refreshing when players are actually honest and not robots. The part that gets me is, dude, you were OPS’ing .501 this spring on a stacked offensive team. Either force the issue or read the room a little better.

When you're basing his entire value only on what you've seen from him in the past, you're not really entertaining the idea that he can improve. But whatever, maybe it's just semantics. Not really a hill I care to die on either way.

Uh... Sure sounds like your mind is made up.

It wouldn't exactly be the craziest thing in the world for a former top prospect to figure it out at the age of 25. I get it. Odds are he doesn't amount to much, but to declare that it's impossible for him to improve is just wild.

F*ck it. All Star Miguel Vargas.

49 - 113. The roster is just as bad, but Venable will know how to navigate this better than Grifol ever did.

Questioning them is fine. Treating every little thing like it's unique to the White Sox and a result of their dysfunction is being willfully ignorant and lazy.

I’m onboard the “Miguel Vargas becomes a decent MLB regular” train. Even bolder, Luis Robert stays healthy and productive up to the trade deadline.

So you’re just skipping right past the rational middle ground and going from one extreme to the other?

Huh. Very cool for him. Even though I thought Davis Martin deserved it.

I liked those San Diego ones. One of the few city connects that actually felt fun and creative.

Some people would prefer to do other things with their time and money than watch the bad baseball team that they are a fan of. Seems pretty simple.