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He had 1/2 of 2019 and all 3/8 of the season that was 2020. No GM in the league thinks hes DeGrom.

Trying to somewhat equal the value of the Javy to ATL trade at the time: Dunning + Collins/Lopez + Rutherford + live armed lower minors guy or Burdi

By the sounds of it, the Cubs ownership might rather use Darvish to dump Heyward than get quality prospects back. I compare Darvish to Javy Vazquez a lot because of the ups and downs etc. Think about the Javy Vazquez trade to the Braves: centerpiece of Flowers plus Lillibridge as a kind of bust as a 2nd piece then theyre first rounder with no power whoever he was and wilcard lefthanded throwing 100 but cant hit the broadside of a barn. That might be a similar deal for Darvish now without Heyward. Its still obviously not a ton. I bet the Ricketts would rather dump money.

Hopefully he scratched out the eyes of that dickwad Yankees fan that kept insisting Machado was going to NY forever. He was the Yankees NotCishek. Whatever his name was.

I think if the Sox took all of the salary on the deal would be like Lopez + Collins + Engel + Sheets But I think if Darvish and Heyward came here that the Sox would get Heyward at about $15M or less, no money back on Darvish, and then Dunning is the centerpiece. Lopez is probably in it also and the Cubs get 4 or 5 pieces

And yet you're talking about trading Kopech and/or Vaughn for Gallo. Perspective......

I'd much rather just wait til next week when the Phillies owner is having a temper tantrum and makes Harper and Wheeler available again. Gallo is... not enticing. And Lynn really isn't either. IMO, sign Adam Eaton and Dahl, give up no prospects, and that is a whole lot better than Gallo.

^^^^THIS

Then you tell them "Okay well enjoy losing with your pieces then" and you walk away.

Q is still much, much better than Gio Gonzalez. Gio Gonzalez has to throw 45 pitches just to get out of bed in the morning. At least "lesser" Q can still easily work into the 6th.

"his team" sure Someone should pull the leech off the body and stomp it

Of course, the mystery deal is almost done ... until it falls apart at the last minute of course. Then we get the details, after the guy signed with another team/the trade failed to go through.

That is a real bad move. The league should just push the PA to accept the DH instead of trying to tie it to expanded playoffs. The player pool of unemployed players in ST is going to be much larger if they don't add the DH. IMO they should make a 27-man roster and a universal DH going into the season just to try to get more players jobs heading into 2021 knowing that the CBA expires after the season.

^I think the biggest hurdle for vaccine stuff etc. is the ST camp with all of the players and the management of the MiLB situation. It's going to be easier to put checks on the MLB stuff but the MiLB situations have a ton less money and there really can't be too much paid oversight anywhere. And can all the MiLB players and staffs get the vaccine?

It seems like April should be okay, definitely May. Maybe they move ST to May 1 and the regular season starts May 24th or something like that, just to be safe, and they can plan for filling blocks of seats at least 6 feet apart until mid-June or something. But yeah it would help to know that stuff also.

Things probably should move slowly until the NL knows if they have a DH or not. That will change their whole offseason approach. Lots of the offensive players on the market like Brantley are really more of a DH anyway.

You can trade players like Kopech, but you need to get back All-Stars with several years control in return. And you still can't trade Stiever or Dunning for a player like Lynn. Maybe Musgrove and an extension, but not Lynn. You can trade anyone but you need to get the right kind of long-term value back in return. A big determinant of what the Sox will be able to do will be the number of playoff teams allowed in 2021. If like half the league gets in then the Sox will be hampered by a deadline with few sellers (again). If it goes back to normal then there will be more sellers, and also more teams clamining to be "hurting financially," which will help the Sox in such deals. Remember what the Astros traded for Cole and also what they traded for Verlander. The Yankees took on Stanton for very little aside from the money. We don't need to give up any excellent prospect to make those kinds of deals. But we will likely need to benefit from an enviornment with a greater number of sellers at the deadline looking to unload money.

I disagree. They can trade the prospects they don't see being impact players before they lose their value. Stiever is an excellent example of this. So they loved him enough to call him up straight to the bigs out of A+ when they didn't have to, and now they want to dump him before even giving him a full season at AA? Yeah I call bullshit on this one.

I think the worst thing they can do is sign 2nd and 3rd tier spot-patch pieces **and** make trades giving up stud prospects. E.g.: trade Cease in a deal for Musgrove, Stiever/Dunning in a deal for Lynn, sign a stop-gap RF, sign a RP. Then they deplete the farm and spend their money while similarly failing to acquire any marquee player, and failing to provide any real long-term solution to any hole. I'm thinking that's probably what they are going to do. Because Sox.

I was just thinking about this this morning: knowing how things have gone here, I bet as soon as the next owner comes in, it won't be more than a couple of years before he'll try to bend the city over backwards for a new stadium with a threat to move the team afterward. BTW anyone really think Manfred is the kind of guy who try to keep the Sox in IL? I hope Lightfoot is still mayor at that point; with some outsider like Emmanuel or whatever it might be pretty difficult to navigate the next gigantic round of bullshit which this franchise is headed for.

Marquez, Musgrove, Darvish, or other?

LOL don't underestimate the ability of a stubborn old coot to retain, and to even in fact relish, every ounce of his stubbornness all the way to the grave.

The Sox are in an extremely unique position after operating with much lower payrolls for several years, and also, having a championship core all locked up for several years in arb and pre-arb stage. "Buying" a championship via FA is exactly what is expected for any org in baseball in such a position as us. Let's not give the old fuck any credit here. This opportunity was "earned" in large part by cutting payroll and intentionally losing for several consecutive seasons.

Maybe 4 years $25M per at $100M but that 5th year must be a TO or something vesting at the very least which the Sox can easily control, ala Yonder Alonso's option.

I kind of agree with. Can't teach the old dog a new trick, yet AAVs continue to go higher. Still, this is the guy who didn't want to go over 4 years for Mark Buehrle of all people and dragged that issue on forever. I mean it's MB for fuck's sake. You can't stomach 1 potential bad contract year for MB? After all he's done here? Same old bag of assholes we're talking about. Yes he authorized the longer deal for Manny. We will see. But usually 4 years is where he tops out unless there are team options in it. 5 or 6 guaranteed years isn't his thing and for a good player with a high AAV that'll put it near or over that $100M threshold.