South Side Hit Men

Ozzie was 48 when he was shitcanned by Miami for being an assclown. Hasn't sniffed a legitimate offer since. He is a loud drunken idiot, and now he talks to a few hundred Sox fans during the season as Jerry's crony hire.

They have a 24 man active roster, pretty much the same as when there aren't trades happening. They need to bring up a reliever and perhaps an OFer or Catcher. C (1): Zavala INF (5): Anderson, Andrus, Moncada, Remillard, Vaughn OF (3): Benintendi, Colas, Robert Jr. DH (3): Grandal, Jimenez, Sheets SP (5): Cease, Kopeck, Touki, Scholtens, Shitbag RP (7): CL Santos; SU Banks, Bummer GUYS: Cronin, Navarro, Peralta, Shaw

What teams were they given? s%*#. Kenny had solid teams, teams always folded in the second half under Ozzie. The team wouldn't have improved under Ozzie during their "multiple championship contention window" the past four seasons either. The Sox need a new GM to bring in a new solid manager, and entire new broadcast team including those worthless crony hacks on pre/post like Ozzie and Garfien. Just like Eaton and Swisher, "nobody like you" either Ozzie.

Haters gonna hate. Managerial Jobs the past decade: 2 Renteria 1 Grifol 0 Guillen I'm guessing he is such a s%*# bag, no team wanted him despite the fact he has been pitching well when not on the IL, including his last outing on Saturday. Hoping someone claims him, Grandal and or Andrus and irrevocable waivers. Was he only speaking to or texting Vinnie Duber? I agree it's likely he'll run out the clock in terms of commenting on the team's direction beyond trying to sell a non credible 2024 contention spiel.

Really hoping for a Marlins (Alcantara, Avisail, Burger, Cueto) vs. Anaheim (Lucas, Ohtani, Reynaldo, Trout) or Houston (Abreu, Alvarez) World Series.

In-n-Out Jake All others

WDCB 90.9FM also a great option which streams over the phone + 2 week archive. Zero credibility with that first statement.

I agree that Cease and Burger were the two best "sell high" guys beyond Lucas and hear what you are saying. Would you have took a package considered sub-par to flip Cease now? I prefer Hahn kept Cease for now if what was being offered was not commensurate with a pitcher of Cease's caliber and contract status. Several teams will fill their needs via FA, but teams with less money or those fretting over the BS "Luxury Tax" will be in the market for a pitcher they will pay about $20M-$24M over his final two seasons, less than half of what FA pitchers will cost salary wise. Cease will be younger than the FA pitchers, another selling point, with of course the offset of having to deal prospects vs. just cash. Hopefully there will be a better GM in place making the decision on Cease, Robert and everyone else still standing.

I could see this, but also appreciated the fact he was holding out for a major return, and not willing to make a deal just to make one. Cease will still be valuable to trade this offseason or next deadline. I really liked the Lance Lynn / Joe Kelly (that they got this much back) and Jake Burger (that they likely sold high and traded an excess DH) deals the best. I think they received a good return from Anaheim. but hard to tell if Hahn couldn't have gotten more waiting until the deadline, with teams more desperate and plans like the Dodgers foiled because of Rodriguez's veto. Graveman and Burger were the two departures from the publicly stated goal of selling post 2023 FAs, but OK with going beyond that for these two players. I seem to be in the minority that the Sox were smart to wait on Tim and Yoan until they could possibly get a decent to solid return next deadline (Tim possibly offseason, Yoan likely in July with only 2 months of salary left + buyout). Wasn't surprised there was no interest in Grandal or Andrus, the remaining two 2024 FAs, perhaps a desperate team will claim on outright waivers (trade considerations are no longer permitted) over the final two months (players need to be rostered by August 31 for post season eligibility). I voted B, you can see posters votes if you click the far right.

Grades should be based on who he traded and the players received with the stated goal of trading players not controllable after 2023, and obtaining future pieces. 7/26 Chicago White Sox traded RHP Lucas Giolito & RHP Reynaldo López to Los Angeles Angels for C Edgar Quero & LHP Ky Bush. 7/28: Chicago White Sox traded RHP Kendall Graveman to Houston Astros for C Korey Lee. 7/28: Chicago White Sox traded RHP Lance Lynn and RHP Joe Kelly to Los Angeles Dodgers for RF Trayce Thompson, RHP Nick Nastrini and RHP Jordan Leasure. 8/1: Chicago White Sox traded cash for Tampa Bay Rays RHP Luis Patiño. 8/1: Chicago White Sox traded 3B Jake Burger to Miami Marlins for LHP Jake Eder. 8/1: Chicago White Sox traded RHP Keynan Middleton to New York Yankees for RHP Juan Carela.

Have his soundtrack cued.

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of this GM.

Don't worry, Rick has you covered. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/phillies-designate-josh-harrison-for-assignment.html

There is no interest in the three players you mentioned. He moved the players other teams wanted and would pay a premium. Both deals make sense at this stage, one of the few areas I can agree Hahn made the right calls over his tenure, same with selling off what he did in 2016. That said, a new EVP/GM should be hired this offseason to put the rest of the pieces together, something Hahn is clearly unable to do.

Really hard to say at this point if this was the best return available to Hahn for Burger, but it makes sense to trade Burger at his likely high value point. He's 27, so don't understand the comparisons to 25 year old Vaughn, who played at the ML level for three years at this point whereas Burger was injured and then after recovering not considered good enough to play beyond the 15 games in 2021. Still think they should move Eloy this offseason, as well as just about everyone else, and make 2026 the next 2020. I hope this pitcher and Burger both end up having great years ahead of them. Burger had a great few months here, and made a lot of otherwise unlistenable games enjoyable.

The White Sox have been a national afterthought since the Black Sox. Nobody outside of Chicago, and many within Chicago, don't even know about Disco Demolition or the White Flag trade, Fixing a World Series vs. the other two is similar on scale to WWII vs. invading Grenada,

Love how they laid out the fact the Giants owner built on these trades, had regular postseason success and on that pledged to build his own very highly profitable stadium. He didn't shake down taxpayers for his hideous Section 8 Ode to Brooklyn Dodgers Stadium. The Cubs did the same, paid for their upgrades and are banking mint. Also note this was the second step in the serious erosion of fan interest post new Stadium. The White Sox outdrew the Cubs until the 1994 cancellation, after which the Cubs took a slight hit and then fully recovered, whereas the Sox took a major hit for which they have never rebounded. This is primarily due to Jerry's hardline anti player pro cancellation stance post lockout and White Flag Trade douchebaggery vs. the Tribune being far more inept on the field but silent and not antagonistic toward fans. New Stadium - Winning Teams - High interest despite terrible Bush recession (2.6M-2.9M): 1991 2.9M (+12) (Cubs 2.3M -6) 1992 2.7M (+10) (Cubs 2.1M -6) 1993 2.6M (+26) (Cubs 2.7M +6) Phase One Jerry's World Series Cancellation Era (1.6M-1.9M): 1994 1.7M (+21) 65% of schedule played due to Jerry and Bud trying to break the union and failing miserably. (Cubs 1.8M -15) 1995 1.6M (-8) 88% of schedule played due to owner lockout and attempt to field scab players. (Cubs 1.9M +2) 1996 1.7M (+8) (Cubs 2.2M -10) 1997 1.9M (-1) (Cubs 2.2M -26) Phase Two Jerry's White Flag era (1.3M-1.9M): 1998 1.4M (-2) (Cubs 2.6M +17) 1999 1.3M (-9) - New Stadium low which will likely be broached in 2024 and beyond. (Cubs 2.8M -28) 2000 1.9M (+28) - 700,000 lower than the 1993 Division Winning Team (Cubs 2.8M -32) 2001 1.8M (+4) (Cubs 2.8M +14) 2002 1.7M (0) (Cubs 2.7M -28) 2003 1.9M (+10) (Cubs 3.0M +14) 2004 1.9M (+4) (Cubs 3.2M +16) Also, what an odd end to the article: How could forfeiting a meaningless game to the Tigers and faux embarrassment people are making documentaries about celebrating DD the equivalent of either the White Flag debacle or fixing a World Series?

The 2021 team was healthy in October, several players on peak years and they were light years behind Houston, let alone the WS Champion team. If fans are happy with a 75-85 win AL Central "Champion" with a 0-4% chance of winning the World Series, than Jerry has a season ticket plan just for you. For fans wanting a team consistently in the mix, Tampa, Houston, Los Angeles, it's going to take a brand new organization and ownership. Texas is several million below the $233M "Luxury Tax" threshold. The White Sox have hovered $40M-$50M or more below it all but one year (2022 $15M below - Jerry's gift to Tony that did not work out funded by a huge COVID created uptick in season ticket demand). Without new ownership, that isn't going to change. The one sustained period of high payrolls was after a World Series, again funded by record Sox season ticket levels.

They have several good prospects (listed the current Top 20 below plus guys 30 or under in 2026. To me what it is even more important than hitting 1-2 guys for Cease is to get quality instructors at the minor league level, clear the deadwood like Boston and others here to develop players through the whole system. (2026 age) SS Montgomery (24) C Quero (23) 3B Ramos (24) 2B Rodrigquez (25) CF Robert (28) RF Colas (27) LF Benintendi (31) INF Sosa (26) C Lee (28) INF Burrowes (21) OF Cespedes (28) 1B/3B Veras (23) 3B Kath (23) DH Burger (30) DH Jimenez (29) 1B Vaughn (28) Schultz (22) Nastrini (26) Bush (26) Burke (26) Mena (23) Pallette (25) Cannon (26) Vera (26) Thompson (25) Kelley (24) Kopech (30) Crochet (27)

I agree with you, but it is one of three issues because most Sox wins were close games due to the fact their offense is bottom 10, their defense is bottom 5, and they had Lance Lynn and Kopech pitching poorly. If most games are close, and you have bad offense, defense and a bad bullpen, you are not winning many games because just about everything is bad. Sox are sixth worst in run differential, their record reflects that.

Best case scenario it will take 4-7 years after Jerry dies assuming his kids don't keep the team to transition into a quality organization base on the fact the entire organization is Bottom Five in MLB. Any or multiple steps can hit a snag, adding additional time to the process. Jerry Dies Estate Settles MLB approves new ownership group - No Reinsdorfs, 100% of Senior Exectives are replaced. Quality Executive Group Installed, entire Baseball Operations Organization built from ground zero. 1 Year Evaluation of current talent, develop, implement, execute plan to revamp entire organization 3-5 years to rebuild the entire organization and restock all levels with quality players and prospects. Establish and implement player development for the first time in decades.

The sold off their best starter, and are near the bottom at every position not manned by Robert. They need 15-20 better players on the roster to legitimately contend. 2023 fWAR Team Rankings through July 30 23rd Catcher (Need two catchers who can catch and also hit above .650 OPS) 23rd First Base (Give Vaughn 1-2 more years, this is the easiest position to fill externally) 27th Second Base (Need a starting 2B, they have enough for 1 decent reserve infielder) 19th Third Base (Yoan is putting for dough next year, Burger a better DH - Future minors/FA) 28th Shortstop (Tim is putting for dough next year, Montgomery in 2025 or 2026) 23rd Left Field (Hahn paid $75M for this - Hahn needs to go) 8th Center Field (Room for plate discipline improvement, but this is the one spot Sox are Good) 30th Right Field (Still a hole since Avisail Garcia left - Hahn needs to go) 4th Designated Hitter (Combo of Burger and Eloy, Looks great until you realize this is 2.0 fWAR). 25th Overall Pitching, 21st Starters & 26th Relievers (All before selling their best pitcher, Hahn spent well over $40M for this bullpen, 2/3 non Liam - Hahn needs to go).

Chicago White Sox 2023 Organization Records through July 30: -21 Chicago White Sox -23 Charlotte Knights -29 Birmingham Barons -2 Winston-Salem Dash + 7 Kannapolis Cannon Ballers -9 ACL White Sox -3 DSL White Sox

The correct answer is Cicero or East Saint Louis.

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