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2023 White Sox Salary / Transaction Tracker
South Side Hit Men replied to South Side Hit Men's topic in Pale Hose Talk
It's 1/3. It's not about the amount cut from payroll, as the DFAs and pro-rated share of demotions aren't savings. Once the deadline is over, a follow-up listing remaining rostered players 2024 costs will be posted. -
Garfin is as big an clown as Bruce Levine. He is a terrible finger pointing teammate like the equally worthless douchebag Keuchel. Lose 50 pounds, take care of yourself and actually try to perform better you morbidly obese assclown. What I find most amusing over the past 12 hours is Bruce Levine reporting Hahn wanted to get the Giolito deal done so he can focus on trading Lynn which is a salary dump at best. Hahn approached this big decision as he does each year with Free Agents, overpaying extremely against no other offers for marginal at best players in decline like Keuchel and Grandal by Thanksgiving, so he can spend family time into the following year before reading Street and Smiths, Athlon Sports and Baseball America to get a feel on the upcoming year, and determine which internal scouts he can trust.
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2023 White Sox Salary / Transaction Tracker
South Side Hit Men replied to South Side Hit Men's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Cots has this. The trades this week aren’t impacting 2024 unless they move players controllable beyond 2023, which they publicly leaked / stated they are not looking to do. 2024 is pretty much set at this point in terms of the several players who will take the vast majority of 2024 payroll, with no credible additions likely. The money “has been spent”, on Benintendi and the remaining core which failed to collectively deliver. -
The three things that struck me were: Rick claiming the organization helped Lucas after 2018. Lucas left the worthless organization to work with his high school pitching coach and become what he has. Hahn said there was more disappointment that there weren’t more Postseason victories along the way. There weren’t and won’t be ANY postseason successes under Hahn. WTF is NPR/WBEZ covering the White Sox?
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At least in 2019 they could credibly state the had a solid core of players, and they had money available to be spent to fill in the gaps they sadly never filled (RF, 2B, C). Now they are down to two credible players, Cease and Robert, and hoping for bounce back seasons and health from Tim and Yoan, with a dozen holes to fill and no capable promotable starting players until 2025/2026. They also will likely cut payroll the next two seasons as players / contracts expire and FA signings are the typical marginal players and bullpen heavy to replace what they ship this week. There was reason for hope and optimism in 2019, now it looks like they will need to get lucky and smart to field a merely decent team by 2026 or 2027 at the earliest. The worst thing about this is it appears Hahn and friends are firmly in place for the remainder of Jerry’s tenure.
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The Sox best pitcher since the Sale/Quintana trades. Gave us many good memories and a few epic moments.
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I mentioned Lynn as returning as a 2024 FA signing. Don't expect the acquiring team to take Lynn's club 2024 option. They still need starting RF, 2B and catchers, and 3-4 starters and 3-4 relievers to credibly compete for a title in 2024, and a lot of things to go right with what they have (Tim, Yoan, Eloy, others). I'm not sold Colas and Burger can start through the season in RF / 2B, and FA is really bad based on the Sportrac FA 2024 tracker for all three starter needs. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2nd-base/ I don't see Jerry bumping payroll significantly to fill all they need to fill. I give zero credence to selling "a competitive team in the AL Central", a bullshit goal (85 wins, 3-5% chance to win four series through the WS). 2016 was the last year an AL Central team won a Division series, let alone credibly competed for a WS.
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They are telling the public they intend to compete to not crater season tickets further, already around 10K + (I expect 8.5K ish for 2024, April games under 10K total attendance). Based on their actions, 2021 and 2022 were the two years they appeared to intend to compete, albeit with no starting RF, 2B or capable Catcher (Both Hit and Catch). I can see them say they are competing even after shipping Bummer and Graveman, possibly Middleton and or Touki. Would keep Santos unless blown away. I'm going to puke if Hahn signs Lynn for 2024.
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Based on Bob's tweets about the Sox intending to compete in 2024, I only expect Lynn and Kelly to go at this point with him stating they are looking to compete in 2024. I guess Clevinger is a remote possibility, though between his past and injury, I think the Sox have to eat that deal. Grandal and Elvis are the last two 2024 FAs. The Five 2025 Free Agents / Buyout Eligible Players: Anderson (2024 $14M or unlikely $1M Buyout) Moncada (2024 $24M + 2025 $5M Buyout) Eloy (2024 $13M + 2025 $3M and 2026 $3M Buyouts or club options) Graveman (2024 $8M) Bummer (2024 $5.5M, 2025 & 2026 $1.25M Club Option buyouts ($7.25M 2025 / $7.5M 2026)
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I would like to see the Sox do something smart and bring in a solid catching coach to work specifically with Quero, can also work with Perez and anyone else down there. Develop defensive, game calling/management skills. The is the White Sox' best chance to develop an internal catcher they can keep during their controllable years since Karkovice (Olivo and Narvaez both traded to Seattle for for Freddy and Colome, respectively).
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Traded / Sold ($60.4M) $19.5M Lance Lynn (7/28/23) - Received RHS Nick Nastrini, RHR Jordan Leasure & OF Trace Thompson $16.0M Kendall Graveman (7/28/23) - Received C Korey Lee $10.4M Lucas Giolito (7/26/23) - Received C Edgar Quero & LHS Ky Bush $9.0M Joe Kelly (7/28/23) - (See Lynn) $3.6M Reynaldo Lopez (7/26/23) - (See Giolito) $1.0M Jake Marisnick (5/30/23) - Received cash $0.9M Jose Ruiz (4/9/23) - Received cash Released ($16.8M) $11.0M Leury Garcia (3/30/23) $4.5M Jake Diekman (5/2/23) $1.3M Hanser Alberto (6/4/23) Demoted ($3.1M) $1.0M Billy Hamilton (6/14/23) $0.7M Alex Colome (5/12/23) $0.7M Clint Frazier (7/3/23) $0.7M Bryan Shaw (7/22/23) Remaining 2024 Free Agents ($33.3M) $18.3M Yasmani Grandal DH/1B/C $12.0M Mike Clevinger RH SP $3.0M Elvis Andrus INF
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GT 7/26: CUBS @ SOX, 7:10 pm CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
They will have a season ticket base under 10K, majority will be team sponsors forced to buy tickets. If I'm jerry, my 40 man roster is as many 40 guys at the $750K minimum or Arb 1 hearings, profit $150M plus, announce another rebuild and wait it out for a few years. Perhaps keep Robert for bobblehead giveaways. Cease and Kopech are the only two Arb 2 Players, can deal both this offseason or week. Move Moncada, Eloy, Benintendi, Graveman, Bummer and Anderson. Hendriks is sunk cost, can have cancer events for community PR. -
GT 7/26: CUBS @ SOX, 7:10 pm CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
I'm sticking it out through the deadline to see what happens, but that's it until 2024, perhaps until Jerry dies and there is a chance at something better with a new owner. -
GT 7/26: CUBS @ SOX, 7:10 pm CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Not a single strike that last at bat. -
GT 7/26: CUBS @ SOX, 7:10 pm CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Thinking they treated it as a bullpen session, can still start against Cleveland. -
GT 7/26: CUBS @ SOX, 7:10 pm CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
What did he do or say?