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Jerry begot this shit. Until Jerry is gone, nothing will change. Defer to injured veteran waiving him off. Check. Pitch to the Twins best hitter with a meaningless base open. Check. Another embarrassing loss which could have been won with a league average / competent manager. Check. So sad.

You all cray cray. Landing Carlos and filling 2B and a corner OF (though I'd prefer a Pederson who can play RF to Rosario) will put their payroll over $200M. If they are able to move Kimbrel, they would likely get a Kiermaier / Segura contract making the payroll savings a near wash. The top teams (Dodgers, Yankees, Boston, perhaps the Cubs) were sidelined until they knew what they were facing with a revised (or cancelled) "Luxury Tax". Expect these teams to spend aggressively if they know they aren't losing draft picks or heavy fines with the new CBA. Do you expect the Sox to increase their payroll by $100M from last year into the $220M-$240M range to land 2-3 guys of the highest projected AAVs left on the board beyond Rodon (Correa, Story, Kershaw, Castellanos, Bryant, Schawaber)?

2007 World Series Champion (1-0, 3.38 ERA) Daisuke Matsuzaka retired this weekend.

Solid article by Jayson Stark linked in the tweet.

Yes, this is the perimeters established in this thread, consistent with last years thread. Roster as is at the start of tehe lockout (Kimbrel, Graveman, Leury on the team), add Free Agent(s) remaining with $30M.

Yep. Appreciated Tony Oliva and Jim Kaat as players. In addition to Dick Allen, John Donaldson was also worthy of induction with this HOF inductee class. John McGraw who managed for decades called John the greatest he'd ever seen. John Donaldson lived his post baseball career here, passed in Cook County Hospital, and is buried in Alsip (Burr Oak).

There are thirteen White Sox pitchers who have won 20 or more games in a season two to four times in a White Sox uniform. (4) Ed Walsh [40 (1908); 27 (1911, 1912); 24 (1907)] (4) Red Faber [25 (1921); 24 (1915); 23 (1920); 21 (1922)] (4) Wilbur Wood [24 (1972, 1973); 22 (1971); 20 (1974)] (3) Eddie Cicotte [29 (1919); 28 (1917); 21 (1920)] (3) Ted Lyons [22 (1927, 1930); 21 (1925)] (3) Frank Owen [22 (1906); 21 (1904, 1905)] (2) Frank Smith [25 (1909); 23 (1907)] (2) Jim Scott [24 (1915); 20 (1913)] (2) Nick Altrock [23 (1905); 20 (1906)] (2) Lefty Williams [23 (1919); 22 (1920)] (2) Jack McDowell [22 (1993); 20 (1992)] (2) Jim Kaat [21 (1974); 20 (1975)] (2) Billy Pierce [20 (1956, 1957)]

Golden Era Inductees Minnie Minoso! Tony Oliva Gil Hodges Jim Katt Early Baseball Era Committee Buck O'Neil! Bud Fowler Dick Allen got screwed over by a single vote and didn't make it. WTF

The Broadcast is live on MLB.com. https://www.mlb.com/video/hof-era-committee-results-show-3962

Jerry and likely others are on record as being opposed to Dick Allen’s induction, in part for his pro union/player advocacy positions more so than any lack of on field merit. https://deadspin.com/mlb-hall-of-fame-vets-inaction-failing-greats-of-the-ga-1845859656 My preference for HOF standards would be “inner ring” inductees (most of the BBWAA inductees, a few of the earlier veterans committee picks, the first Negro League class and a few more) with about 130, say 85 hitters and 45 pitchers. Today, there are more than twice that count (263). Based on the current actual standards, I agree with you there is a solid case for several of the nominees today and on the January BBWAA Ballot.

The primary issue for this negotiation is compensation, arbitration and free agency eligibility for players in their 0-6 years of MLB service. Changes to the minimum salary. Arbitration eligibility (2 vs. 3 years). Free agency eligibility (5 vs. 6 years or a set age (owners proposal). Elimination of compensatory draft picks for departing Free Agents. Reforming the amateur domestic draft & foreign free agent process. Changes to or elimination of “Luxury Taxes” (fines, draft picks). Players gained significant advantages the first few decades of the MLBPA, but owners have made significant strides the past twenty-five years (1996 forward). While younger fans are unable to recall the acrimony of the 1970s or 1980s, deals still were reached, it just took time and in some cases cost regular season games. The players are looking to regain some of their lost rights this round, and are prepared for an extended fight, with significant reserves to withstand an extended lockout. Time well tell whether they will remain unified longer than owners.

MLB created this special election today, and timed it to have SOMETHING positive to hawk on their website and cable channel at the start of the owner lockout. Announcement for any additions will occur at 5PM today. No word on whether any inductees will have their name and likeness appear, or whether they will be inducted with MLB's preferred mandated faceless plaque. https://baseballhall.org/news/golden-days-era-committee-early-baseball-era-committee-ballots-to-be-considered-dec-5 Really hope Dick Allen and Minnie Minoso are inducted tonight.

Judge KKK Landis would have a solid base of support here on Soxtalk, for multiple reasons.

Comments: Good signings @Chicago White Sox. I agree with your assessment @TheFutureIsNear, I also suggested to broaden the trade net to try to open up flexibility across the high priced FA/extensions of the past two offseasons, and also agree the Schwarber would be one of the best high impact bats, he was the top consideration for me in terms of impact bats, but I only passed due to the overload of DH/LF options on the current roster. @Y2Jimmy0 - While I do agree it likely the Sox will at minimum attempt to flip Kimbrel and your moves make sense in that context. For the purposes of this thread, I tried to keep the parameters the same as last year (strictly an assessment of $30M for free agency). Introduction: My initial plan focused on three aspects. 1. Clearing some of the higher priced veterans for young talent which can win now. 2. Improving the team defensively. 3. Adding free agents to bring a TOR starter and improve defensively behind the plate (Contreras and Gomes, ironically the current two Cubs catchers). Robbie Ray, Yan Gomes and Leury Garcia were my three Free Agent targets in late October. The three came in at slightly over the $30M range we are using for this excercise. Leury returned as expected, Ray and Gomes signed solid deals which I wish the Sox were able to offer and secure. Matz was not an initial target, but his deal was also team friendly and something I wish the Sox were able to match / exceed and sign, almost as much as Cohen. My four current acquisition targets at this stage are: Carlos Rodon (Age 29 $19.0M AAV - $76M/3+1 KH terms) - Assuming his medicals check out, he is the top starting pitcher. Perhaps have a creative terms like the Hendriks deal, giving Carlos a higher guarantee with a flexible final year. Now that he is working off of a solid innnings base, a return to his form of last year will make him a formidable playoff starter able to help navigate the team through the postseason. Josh Harrison (Age 35 $5.0M 1 year + team option) - I preferred Lux or another solid trade acquisition, and while I wouldn't have renewed Kimbrel, I would prefer a trade for Segura at this stage, but for the purpose of this exercise, Harrison provides the best opportunity to provide a solid presence at 2B. Villar and Iglesias both have 2B listed in the Fangraphs Free Agent list, but their primary experience is other positions, and the Sox would be best served by a regular 2B, not converting one on the fly and hoping it works out. J Hey is an adequate fielder with a decent bat, providing a 1.5 fWAR last season / 1/2 projected for 2022. He will allow Leury to do what he does best, provide the team flexibility across many positions. Stephen Vogt (Age 37 $3.5M 1 year) - Of the remaining catchers, he is the best defensive option and will provide a solid veteran presence to help work with pitchers. He can work with Lucas and Carlos (Grandal can DH or play 1B those days) while Grandal can work with Lynn, Cease and Keuchel. Jake Diekman (Age 35 $2.5M 1 year) - While I considered a 5th OF with the remaining funds (Schwarber and Pederson far out of reach with the available budget), I believe adding one more reliever, in part to allow flexibility with Kimbrel, is the best use of the remaining budget. Signing him more for his October possibilities than to get the Sox through the regular season, as the can muddle through with Ruiz/Burr for the final spot. Has playoff experience and is another solid piece to the bullpen at a reasonable cost. Fan Graphs White Sox Roster 2022 Free Agent Tracker 2022 Offseason Take Two Final Roster: (Steamer Projected 2021 Games (or Innings for pitchers) / fWAR) Infield: C Grandal (127 / 4.5); 1B Abreu (150 / 2.1); 2B Harrison (118 / 1.2); SS Anderson (150 / 3.3); 3B Moncada (149 / 3.8). Outfield/DH: Robert (149 / 4.8) Jimenez (146 (HA!) / 2.5; Vaughn (115 / 1.5) & Sheets (110 / 1.0). Reserves: INF Garcia (112 / 1.1); OF Engel (87 / 0.5); C Vogt (45 / 0.2); INF/OF Mendick (39 / 0.3). Starters: Giolito (184 / 3.3); Rodon (154 / 3.8); Lynn (187 / 3.4); Kopech (145 / 2.7); Cease (170 / 3.0) Keuchel (161 / 1.2). Relievers: Hendriks (68 / 1.5); Bummer (64 / 0.9); Crochet (74 / 0.9); Kimbrel (66 / 0.7); Diekman (69 / 0.6); Graveman (62 / 0.4); Lopez (57 / 0.3). Minor League Standby: Lambert, Adolfo, Ruiz.

Users here respond under one ID, do not have multiple user names. Personally do not care and have no interest in a writer's real name or personal information. Some you can ascertain or guess at such as Y2Jimmy, but I have no interest in "doxing" his or any writer's personal information, but nice try. In term's of TexSox, you made it quite clear you prefer scab players over the actual players many here still care about. Texsox - Prefers faceless avatars wearing Jerry's laundry + whereas SSHM Prefers Actual White Sox - playing with or without logos, and definitely without racist logos or imagery. Laughable you would post a Marx image, oblivious to the fact the owners have socialized their capital expenses on the backs of American taxpayers, and distorted the tax code to have the average "working class" fan pay a much higher tax rate then the billionaires profiting off of the morally corrupt system. Billionaire Owners get billions in stadium subsidies paid for by the working class who can't afford to even enter their taxpayer funded stadiums, unless they are there to sweep the floors. There is no money for sports facilities or arts in Public Schools. The working class get this.

Odd to include Bonds but not Clemens. I can see a reasonable argument to include or exclude both. Jon stated the reason he limited his ballot to players not connected to steroids, with the exception of Bonds, is the fact that Bonds pre "steroid" career offers a compelling case. He then went on to state that players like Bobby Abreu, Ryan Howard, Torii Hunter and others have cases as well. Don't really agree with that assessment unless you are going for a 500 player + BBHOF (100 players per generation vs. the 20-30 per generation typically inducted by the BBWAA.

Carrying forward a thread from the 2021 offseason, this is an offshoot of the ongoing 2022 Offseason Plan Thread. While trades will occur once a CBA is finalized, and the Sox very may well at least attempt to trade Craig Kimbrel and or others, for the purpose of this thread, we will proceed with the assumption of the current roster, free agent spending only, and no trades to free up roster spots or additional funds for traded salary. What you would do if you had $30M to spend once the CBA is Finalized? The one suggestion to allow comparability across posters / proposed rosters is to try to use a crowded sourced or independent valuation for the contracts you propose. I have linked three free public sources below, but you can use others as well. Fangraphs Free Agent Tracker: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker MLB Trade Rumors: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html Sportrac: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/

Since it is quite clear you are desperate for an exchange, disclose your author name for Future Sox, to allow posters here to determine whether your articles are worth reading, and I will provide a response to this post. Still waiting for your first post in this exchange, perhaps any exchange you've had on SoxTalk, that does not involve "name calling".

Yes, for me to post Yankees pictures and footage, it is not a good time to be a baseball fan. Wait til next, next year! Yes, it is in the teams and players best interest to conclude the offseason as orderly as possible. It should go something like the last two weeks, a flurry of deals, but this time with trades as well. I am hopeful this can get wrapped up before the end of February, and the regular season can begin before the end of April. I don't expect much progress for another several weeks, but at some point, either serious negotiations will occur or the players will go to the NLRB to defend their labor rights. From what I read, Owners have to fulfill a six week Spring Training to abide by their agreements covering most of their AZ/FLA ST stadium leases, so it will likely be a longer ST than the impromptu truncated STs conducted in April 1995 or July 2020.

Owners locked out players until July 23 last year. The Owners primarily care about the playoffs, everyone with a cable bill still pays carriage fees to the Owners for their RSNs and MLB Channel showing whatever whether there are games or not, and they'll also get reduced advertising for their replacement fishing, poker, talking heads shows, reruns of prior games, etc.. Not paying players covers any losses from the national TV contracts. COVID allowed owners to short play their 2020 Spring Training leases, but they would likely have to have financial compensation/concessions to Arizona/Florida governments to avoid attempting ST in ridiculous Summer desert/swamp conditions. At some point, a court may order Owners to begin negotiating, as is what happened in March 1995, when Judge Sonya Sotomayor saved baseball and ordered MLB Owners to send their scab players home and play baseball with actual Major League Players. Games started later in April 1995 to allow a haphazard partial spring training, played under the previous CBA terms. The final deal wasn't signed until after the 1996 season, two seasons after Sonya Sotomayor's ruling. Owners could continue negotiating with the MLB Players Association just as they had over the course of two seasons (1995-1996) until a new deal is reached. However, MLB Owners have ZERO intentions to begin negotiating in good faith unless ordered by a Federal judge or reaching a stage where the players give them nearly everything they demand. By then Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, who saved MLB as a district judge in 1995 by striking down Owner Bud Selig's scab player scheme, is escorted by Jorge Posada to throw out the first pitch at Yankees Stadium September 26, 2009, Yankees fans hold racist tomahawks gavels to honor Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, September 26, 2009.

Where are we at with all of this @Chicago White Sox ? So far my FA "bracket" has been busted, as two of the three free agents I wanted the Sox to acquire, Robbie Ray and Yan Gomes, are off the board, both with reasonable deals, and the Sox signed the third (Leury Garcia). Perhaps we can have a new thread with what would one do post lockout with $30M budget like we did last year. My FA picks for $30M did well overall last offseason with two on point picks (Schwarber (3.1 fWAR), Zunino (4.5 fWAR)), Pederson who did well in the Postseason (0.6 fWAR + 3 HRs & a WS) and one mediocre pick in Colome (0.1 fWAR).

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, your hissy fit speaks loudly, Apparently your reading comprehension is as lacking as your knowledge of economics. Have a good day.