South Side Hit Men

Nice to have a good laugh after a tough loss. https://mobile.twitter.com/Wet_Bandit_/status/1377804068073189379 https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeGianella/status/1377808546935488514 https://mobile.twitter.com/Bkatz113/status/1377827932622573569

? Game threads in a nutshell.

This last post to start the year contains the last Division, Pennant and World Series Championships. Division Championship: (NL #1) 2020 Atlanta (Brian Snitker) (NL #1) 2020 Chicago (David Ross) (NL #1) 2020 Los Angeles (Dave Roberts) (AL #1) 2020 Minnesota (Rocco Baldelli) (AL #1) 2020 Oakland (Bob Melvin) (AL #1) 2020 Tampa Bay (Kevin Cash) (AL #4) 2019 Houston (AJ Hinch) (AL #4) 2019 New York (Aaron Boone) (NL #4) 2019 Saint Louis (Mike Shildt) (AL #6) 2018 Boston (Alex Cora) (AL #6) 2018 Cleveland (Terry Francona) (NL #5) 2018 Milwaukee (Craig Counsell) (NL #6) 2017 Washington (Dusty Baker) (AL #8) 2016 Texas (Jeff Banister) (AL #9) 2015 Kansas City (Ned Yost) (NL #7) 2015 New York (Terry Collins) (AL #9) 2015 Toronto (John Gibbons) (AL #11) 2014 Baltimore (Buck Showalter) (AL #11) 2014 Detroit (Brad Ausmus) (AL #11) 2014 Los Angeles (Mike Scioscia) (NL #8) 2012 Cincinnati (Dusty Baker) (NL #8) 2012 San Francisco (Bruce Bochy) (NL #10) 2011 Arizona (Kirk Gibson) (NL #10) 2011 Philadelphia (Charlie Manual) (AL #14) 2008 Chicago (Ozzie Guillen) (NL #12) 2006 San Diego (Bruce Bochy) (AL #15) 2001 Seattle (Lou Pinella) (NL #13) 1992 Pittsburgh (Jim Leyland) (NL #14) None - Colorado Established 1993 (NL #15) None - Florida Established 1993 Dusty Baker and Bruce Bochy are the only managers who have led to different teams to their latest division title. League Pennant (* = Wild Card) (NL #1) 2020 Los Angeles (Dave Roberts) (AL #1) 2020 Tampa Bay (Kevin Cash) (AL #2) 2019 Houston (AJ Hinch) (NL #2) 2019 Washington * (Dave Martinez) (AL #3) 2018 Boston (Alex Cora) (NL #3) 2016 Chicago (Joe Maddon) (AL #4) 2016 Cleveland (Terry Francona) (AL #5) 2015 Kansas City (Ned Yost) (NL #4) 2015 New York (Terry Collins) (NL #5) 2014 San Francisco * (Bruce Bochy) (NL #6) 2013 Saint Louis (Mike Matheny) (AL #6) 2012 Detroit (Jim Leyland) (AL #7) 2011 Texas (Ron Washington) (AL #8) 2009 New York (Joe Girardi) (NL #7) 2009 Philadelphia (Charlie Manual) (NL #8) 2007 Colorado * (Clint Hurdle) (AL #9) 2005 Chicago (Ozzie Guillen) (NL #9) 2003 Miami * (Jack McKeon) (AL #10) 2002 Los Angeles * (Mike Scioscia) (NL #10) 2001 Arizona (Bob Brenly) (NL #11) 1999 Atlanta (Bobby Cox) (NL #12) 1998 San Diego (Bruce Bochy) (AL #11) 1993 Toronto (Cito Gaston) (AL #12) 1991 Minnesota (Tom Kelly) (NL #13) 1990 Cincinnati (Lou Pinella) (AL #13) 1990 Oakland (Tony La Russa) (AL #14) 1983 Baltimore (Joe Altobelli) (NL #14) 1982 Milwaukee (Harvey Kuenn) (NL #15) 1979 Pittsburgh (Chuck Tanner) (AL #15) None - Seattle - Established 1977. Bruce Bochy is the only manager to have led two different teams to their most recent Pennant. World Series Championship (* = Wild Card): (NL #1) 2020 Los Angeles (Dave Roberts) (NL #2) 2019 Washington * (Dave Martinez) (AL #1) 2018 Boston (Alex Cora) (AL #2) 2017 Houston (AJ Hinch) (NL #3) 2016 Chicago (Joe Maddon) (AL #3) 2015 Kansas City (Ned Yost) (NL #4) 2014 San Francisco * (Bruce Bochy) (NL #5) 2011 Saint Louis * (Tony La Russa) (AL #4) 2009 New York (Joe Girardi) (NL #6) 2008 Philadelphia (Charlie Manuel) (AL #5) 2005 Chicago (Ozzie Guillen) (NL #7) 2003 Miami * (Jack McKeon) (AL #6) 2002 Los Angeles * (Mike Scioscia) (NL #8) 2001 Arizona (Bob Brenly) (NL #9) 1995 Atlanta (Bobby Cox) (AL #7) 1993 Toronto (Cito Gaston) (AL #8) 1991 Minnesota (Tom Kelly) (NL #10) 1990 Cincinnati (Lou Pinella) (AL #9) 1989 Oakland (Tony La Russa) (NL #11) 1986 New York (Davey Johnson) (AL #10) 1984 Detroit (Sparky Anderson) (AL #11) 1983 Baltimore (Joe Altobelli) (NL #12) 1979 Pittsburgh (Chuck Tanner) (AL #12) 1948 Cleveland (Lou Boudreau) (AL #13) None - Tampa Bay - Established 1998 (NL #13) None - Colorado - Established 1993 (AL #14) None - Seattle - Established 1977 (NL #14) None - Milwaukee - Established 1969 (in Seattle), moved to Milwaukee in 1970 (NL #14) None - San Diego - Established 1969 (AL #15) None - Texas - Established 1961 (in Washington D. C.), moved to Texas in 1972 Tony La Russa is the only manager to lead two teams to their most recent World Series Championship.

This list contains the last date each team held the overall best record within their respective League, tied leads do not count: (NL #1) 9/27/20 Los Angeles (Dave Roberts) (AL #1) 9/27/20 Tampa Bay (Kevin Cash) (AL #2) 9/17/20 Chicago (Rick Renteria) (AL #3) 8/28/20 Oakland (Bob Melvin) (AL #4) 8/18/20 New York (Aaron Boone) (NL #2) 8/14/20 Chicago (David Ross) (NL #3) 8/8/20 Colorado (Bud Black) (AL #5) 8/6/20 Minnesota (Rocco Baldelli) (NL #4) 7/31/20 San Diego (Jayce Tingler) (AL #6) 7/25/20 Houston (Dusty Baker) (NL #5) 5/2/19 Saint Louis (Mike Shildt) (AL #7) 4/21/19 Seattle (Scott Servais) (NL #6) 4/20/19 Colorado (Clint Hurdle) (NL #7) 4/16/19 Milwaukee (Craig Counsell) (NL #8) 3/31/19 Philadelphia (Gabe Kapler) (AL #8) 9/30/18 Boston (Alex Cora) (NL #9) 7/2/18 Atlanta (Brian Snitker) (NL #10) 5/12/18 Arizona (Torey Lovullo) (NL #11) 4/20/18 New York Mets (Mickey Callaway) (AL #9) 10/1/17 Cleveland (Terry Francona) (NL #12) 6/8/17 Washington (Dusty Baker) (AL #10) 5/9/17 Baltimore (Buck Showalter) (NL #13) 4/15/17 Cincinnati (Bryan Price) (AL #11) 4/12/17 Detroit (Brad Ausmus) (AL #12) 4/11/17 Los Angeles (Mike Scioscia) (AL #13) 10/2/16 Texas (Jeff Banister) (NL #14) 7/18/16 San Francisco (Bruce Bochy) (AL #14) 4/22/16 Kansas City (Ned Yost) (AL #15) 4/4/16 Toronto (John Gibbons) (NL #15) 4/23/09 Pittsburg (Fredi Gonzalez) Dusty Baker is the only manager with a current most recent League lead for two separate teams, Houston and Washington.

Division Lead - The last time each team has led their Division (ties don’t count). (NL #1) 9/27/20 Atlanta (Brian Snitker) (NL #1) 9/27/20 Chicago (David Ross) (NL #1) 9/27/20 Los Angeles (Dave Roberts) (AL #1) 9/27/20 Minnesota (Rocco Baldelli) (AL #1) 9/27/20 Oakland (Bob Melvin) (AL #1) 9/27/20 Tampa Bay (Kevin Cash) (AL #4) 9/22/20 Chicago (Ricky Renteria) (AL #5) 9/2/20 Cleveland (Terry Francona) (AL #6) 8/19/20 New York (Aaron Boone) (NL #4) 8/15/20 Miami (Don Mattingly) (NL #5) 8/12/20 Colorado (Bud Black) (AL #7) 7/31/20 Houston (Dusty Baker) (NL #6) 7/31/20 San Diego (Jayce Tingler) (NL #7) 7/25/20 Saint Louis (Mike Shildt) (NL #8) 7/5/19 Milwaukee (Craig Counsell) (NL #9) 6/9/19 Philadelphia (Gabe Kapler) (AL #8) 4/27/19 Seattle (Scott Servais) (NL #10) 4/23/19 New York (Mickey Callaway) (NL #11) 4/21/19 Pittsburgh (Clint Hurdle) (AL #9) 4/10/19 Detroit (Ron Gardenhire) (AL #10) 3/30/19 Kansas City (Ned Yost) (AL #11) 9/30/18 Boston (Alex Cora) (NL #12) 8/31/18 Arizona (Torey Lovullo) (NL #13) 6/10/18 Washington (Dave Martinez) (AL #12) 5/6/18 Los Angeles (Mike Scioscia) (AL #13) 5/20/17 Baltimore (Buck Showalter) (NL #14) 5/7/17 Cincinnati (Bryan Price) (AL #14) 10/2/16 Texas (Jeff Banister) (AL #15) 9/5/16 Toronto (John Gibbons) (NL #15) 8/20/16 San Francisco (Bruce Bochy) San Francisco was somewhat of a surprise as the worst, the wasn’t surprised the came out of the NL West with Los Angeles’ dominance.

This thread is to track teams who have last lead their Division and League within a season, and also the last Division, Pennant and World Series Championships for each team. Here are a few interesting tidbits before diving in: There are five managers who have all the last five categories for an individual franchise: Bruce Bochy (San Francisco) Alex Cora (Boston) Dave Roberts (Los Angeles) Mike Scioscia (Anaheim) Ned Yost (Kansas City) There are six managers who have the lead in one or more categories across multiple franchises: Dusty Baker (3 Teams, 5 Categories): Cincinnati (2012 Division Title) Houston (7/25/20 AL Lead & 7/31/20 Division Lead) Washington (6/8/17 NL Lead & 2017 Division Title). Bruce Bochy (2 Teams, 7 Categories): San Diego (1998 NL Pennant & 2006 Division Title) San Francisco (2012 Division Title, 2014 NL Pennant, 2014 World Series, 7/19/16 NL Lead, 8/20/16 Division Lead) Clint Hurdle (2 Teams, 3 Categories): Colorado (2007 NL Pennant) Pittsburgh (4/20/19 NL Lead & 4/21 Division Lead) Tony La Russa (2 Teams, 3 Categories): Oakland (1989 World Series & 1990 AL Pennant) Saint Louis (2011 World Series) Lou Piniella (2 Teams, 3 Categories): Cincinnati (1990 NL Pennant & 1990 World Series) Seattle (2001 Division Title) Jim Leyland (2 Teams, 2 Categories): Detroit (2012 AL Pennant) Pittsburgh (1992 Division Title)

Or professional baseball players can get their head out of their rectum and pay attention to what is going on in front of them. So many base-running errors during the Cubs game today, worse than little league.

I hear what your saying, just think it will take a few weeks for Tony to get comfortable with playing an unproven rookie near everyday to start the year. He can play the first 20 of 30 games (every game vs LH, a mix against RH), and either play him 5-6 games a week once he is settled or send him down if he needs work. They still get their “money’s worth” if he plays well over say 120 games, and they still save his service clock if they send him down for work he would have had last year.

I wouldn’t assume Vaughn is considered an everyday starter at this stage. I have no problem with easing him in vs. RHP, and keeping him out of LF. If he is adjusting to ML pitching well, his starts against RHP can increase. Some here are expecting Vaughn to either play 140 + games or sit for service time, don’t believe these expectations are realistic, at least until he gets a month under his belt and proves he ca handle ML pitching, or whether he could use work in AA or AAA.

Jerry must be steaming. Players are much more unified heading into 2022 as compared to the four distinct ownership factions: Tanking welfare check collectors. Judge Smails / JR tweaner group. Large market teams that love the salary tax” and hate sharing with the welfare teams. The Dodgers and now Cohen’s Mets who literally don’t give a fuck about what these other 28 cheap bastard ownership groups do.

It’s going to be ironic that I’ll be one of the few on here defending Tony La Russa opening week, similar to defending Ricky until the final week of the season. They need to ease Vaughn into the lineup against RHP, he’s straight out of A ball, regardless of pedigree. Tony is a big fan of taking advantage of platoons and splits, fans better get used to it. Don’t understand why the majority of fans side with ownership over players. Kenny said they wouldn’t play games with his service time, and he is definitely one of the best 26, especially with end of the road players like Lamb and Hamilton also on the team. Either field the best time you can, or STFU about “multi championship season windows”. While the FO should have done more, the team is doing the best with what they have.

Yes indeed, I like the Opening Day lineup. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/white-soxs-andrew-vaughn-not-starting-opening-day/

This is your best post, and one of the best of the off-season.I like reading others opinions and stating mine, but no need for people to get personal. I hope that now that the season has started, we can all focus on White Sox baseball, and be kinder here, especially in the game threads which were unreadable in terms of negativity. No need to find a new villain or scapegoat in the Sox dugout, whether the Sox finish 100-62 or 80-82.

86 wins, second place. Hopefully motivates the FO to do something significant this off-season, using money from a strong uptick in Season Ticket sales heading into 2022. Duvision winners: Yankees Twins Houston Mets Milwaukee LA

Adam Engel crushes Andrew Vaughn in OPS (by at least 50 points) and is considered an everyday OFer heading into 2022.

I’d buy this tee-shirt from the 108. In terms of this thread, I joined in late August, because for the first time since I left WSI in the late 00s, I was excited about the White Sox prospects heading into the month of September. I was surprised at the near universal vitriol against Ricky when I joined in late August and the Sox the best they’ve been (21-13 and tied for first), and the extreme negativity in game threads. I understand the bashing the final week, I didn’t agree with some of the moves either, but still chalk up the collapse primarily to a lack of starting pitching, which was exposed in the playoffs. While the offseason has been a disappointment outside of the Lynn and Katz acquisitions, the season starts tomorrow and I for one am very excited. I don’t agree the Sox are likely World Series Contenders in 2021, primarily due to the fact several key pieces need to get their first full season under their belt (Robert, Vaughn, Madrigal, Kopech, Crochet, Cease), but I think they have a solid shot at being legitimate contenders the next 2-3 years with continued development if the FO can add a legitimate corner OF and maybe 1 or 2 more pieces depending on how the rookies do. I’m also encouraged that Tony is saying and doing the right things, and the team has responded well to his and his staff’s presence and coaching. A CEO role will work well vs. a micromanager, and he has a good staff around him. Also very encouraged there were no sacred cows heading into Opening Day , with the cuts of Narron’s (Lucroy) and Katz’ (Turley) respective personal invitees. Go Sox!

Weed was far less potent back in the day vs. what the government sanctioned weed dealers sell today. Gave up menthols and weed in 8th grade, the year the Sox were Winning Ugly. Good decisions and great baseball. Damn it feels good to be a gangster.

No, people just come up with ridiculous opinions, perhaps weed induced, and when confronted with backing their talk with walking the walk, they back off. Watched baseball long enough to know what’s realistic, and what’s bullshit, be it optimism or pessimism. Would offer the same ban bet to someone saying the Sox won’t win 75, it’s as unlikely as winning 105.

What, so you can welch again. That said, I had no takers when I offered a ban bar after posters were claiming Grandal would catch over 120 games, or the Sox would win over 105 games, this upcoming season.

I believe the Cubs called Lester’s agent last minute with an offer of $2M-$3M, before he signed with Washington the following day. Jerry and Tom have a lot in common.

Yolmer has been designated for assignment, and I'd prefer him over Jake Lamb, who hasn't been good in the past three season. He can play the three infield positions, Garcia is needed more in the OF this year with two primarily platoon players manning the corners once Engel returns. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/orioles-acquire-adam-plutko.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+(MLB+Trade+Rumors) If Eloy had to get hurt, I'm glad it happened before camp vs. shortly after, I am pleased with the Sox personnel decisions, assuming Vaughn is a very very temporary part time LF fix.

Followed by Steve Stone effusively praising Reinsdorf for his commitment to winning after picking up yet another Jarrod Dyson type trade deadline acquisition, followed by more potshots at Ricky Renteria (it's Ricky Renteria's salary that is preventing the team to do more) and of course trolling human beings actually interested in White Sox baseball. You can throw Bruce Levine, Bob Nightengale and Chuck Garfien into the "Bow before Dear Leader" eternal chorus.

Me too. I enjoy listening to games and rooting for the players. When an expansion team wins more World Series in their first ten years of existence than your favorite team has won in a century, built by an exiled former Sox executive, it's been a rough 45 years, and a brutal past postseason century for older White Sox fans. I'm really only critical of ownership/management, nearly all players play to the best of their health and abilities. When or lose, I enjoy listening to the games (or watching at a bar or at the park) and watching the highlights. You can enjoy baseball win or lose, a game, the season, a player, the team. I can like an 70 win team as much as a 90 win team, if the players are likable as they have been under Ricky's tenure. Sure I want the Sox to win, but if they don't, that's part of life.

Going to go with Little Mad in game two against Heaney, wearing #1 for your Chicago White Sox.

Zack Collins. Yes I said it, hear me know, pay me later.