Our catcher is lucky he doesn't play for Ross. How many balls can drop in a 60 game season
South Side Hit Men
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Way to pick yourself up! Jose comes up LARRRGE!!!
Thank you all who replied to my question about the fielding play, much obliged.
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What was Abreu doing on that play? DJ critical on the radio broadcast.
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
Whew, just got in on him enough. Lopez keeping them in the game.
He’s been their best pitcher since being called up (Keuchel good in his line start).
All have one more tuneup, hope they take advantage of their final opportunity before games really matter.
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9 hours ago, oneofthemikes said:
Then Coop needs to ride off into the sunset. If he can't get on board with the current analytics of baseball, he's a dinosaur and needs to be replaced.
I soured on Coop back in January when he was on the White Sox Talk podcast with Chuck. They were talking about analytics and some of the tools at the Sox disposal and Rapsodo came up. Chuck interjected and said "...you mentioned Rapsodo. For those people who don't know, can you explain it?" and Coop responded, "No, let them go figure that out...that's not worth my time". Some people may just shrug that off, but it sounded to me like he doesn't fully understand how to implement it.
This.
The only two starters they can count consistently were developed elsewhere, or eliminated 100% of Cooper’s White Sox input to work with his high school pitching coach.
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Don’t see a transaction as of now on the website and WGN pregame didn’t address Grandal’s injury.
Hope McCann or Grandal’s mitt fits Yolmer’s hands if Grandal can’t go, don’t want Anderson used this close to the playoffs, regardless of how badass fun it would be to watch him gun down a runner.
The Sox have a good chance today, hoping for a third consecutive good start from Lopez, and a multi hit game from Anderson.
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2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:
No. That's the absolute best case scenario from right now if the vaccine is actually vetted and ready to go. 6-9 months is extremely optimistic
This^
Could see teams resorting to more revenue sharing to get through next season, if they choose to hold it. Owners stated they lose $640,000 by every game played, highly suspect, and wouldn't put it past them to cancel the next season and beyond between their "losses" and the CBA, if fans aren't allowed in at or near capacity. And I don't see that happening by Opening Day 2021; by year end is a possibility.
In terms of strictly baseball:
Best case scenario:
- A full season (I suspect owners will try to weasel out of paying players for lack of attendance, just like this year when they demanded additional cuts beyond pro-rated salaries).
- A return to the prior postseason format (not 16 team every team sniffing .500 is in). I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.
- Postseason will be played, and fans will be able to attend at home stadiums, at a rate of 50-100%.
Worst case scenario:
- Owners lock out / players walk out due to owner demands for additional salary cuts. Season and or post season not finished / conducted, or another slashing of 60-100 games to hold a second straight farcical season.
- 16 team playoffs (or more, NHL increased the count to 24 teams).
- Another off-season of collusion, this time with COVID as an excuse, forces a walkout.
1994 occurred without COVID, but with Jerry. Anything can happen with either between now and a year from now.
I think the more interesting question is as a fan, would you be willing to attend games without a vaccine? There are many die-hards here, but I don't see a large portion of the populace willing to plunk down money to sit in a packed ballpark, with or without masks.
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3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Additionally, if we want to talk about LEAGUE WIDE evaluations, that same GM (Rick Hahn) found McCann.
In the same off-season that Yasmani Grandal got 18.5 million from that heralded Brewers GM you proclaim superior to Hahn, Hahn signed McCann for 2.5 million. That means the Brewers could have had the better player - according to you - for 16 million less but chose to overspend on a player they "internally didn't like as much" according to you. I'm trying to keep up on your logic here, but I'm having a hard time.
Logic is important in debates.
The logic is simple. Which of the three GMs would you hire based on their GM track record? Hahn's moves from 2013-2015 put the team into tanking mode, and under Friends of Jerry logic bought him another 10 years of job security.
The other two GMs turned around three clubs without tanking, two of which are in much smaller markets (TB and Milwaukee).
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8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You constantly refer to Kenny/Hahn as GarPax but Kenny/Hahn have a ring on their finger. Maybe you forgot.
Bulls Gar Pax had a winning record before being shitcanned, White Sox Gar Pax were effective 2013, White Sox Gar was George Costanza before 2013. Maybe you forgot.
By your logic, Mike Ditka should still be coaching the Bears, Joe Maddon should still be with the Cubs, John McDonough should be President of the Blackhawks.
Most people are held accountable in their jobs. The rest are Friends of Jerry.
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19 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:
What was the excuse for the last 8 weeks?
It's only guaranteed because of the morons putting the lineup together. They could DH Mazara and put Dyson or Engel in RF. You don't HAVE to keep trotting out a .160 hitter in any circumstance.
FWIW, I'm not advocating putting Mazara at DH, but if they're stuck on playing Mazara, I'd much rather him DH and stick a really good defender in RF
.There are 12 million excuses for Encarnacion's existence, each and every one is owned by Rick Hahn.
“The numbers speak for themselves in terms of continuing to be a dangerous presence and an outstanding source of power for the last decade-plus,” general manager Rick Hahn said Thursday after the Sox announced they agreed to terms with Encarnacion on a one-year, $12 million deal that has a club option for 2021. “We feel he’s someone who’s going to not only improve our run-scoring, but be a significant positive within our clubhouse, as well.”
Also, you have it backwards. Mazara's only saving attribute over Parrot is the fact that Mazara owns a glove and can play an acceptable RF (he is better than his counterpart in LF in fielding). If anything, they should DH Jimenez, and platoon the three corner outfielders. They really should have signed 1 or 2 corner outfielders, and passed on Mazara, Parrot and "Elite" Grandal, but our front office sucks except for tanking.
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14 minutes ago, Buehrle5687 said:
Hahn was at the helm for 3 seasons before a complete rebuild, and you cite his W/L record...Brilliant.
The Sox sucked whether they were tanking or not under Hahn. Hahn's trades and free agent signings sucked when he was attempting to win. Keuchel looks like the only possible good 2020 acquisition. And the Sox had "One Shining Moment" for the decade plus he was an assistant GM.
Unless you are a government employee or a Friend of Jerry, if you suck at your job for extended periods, you are gone. White Sox Gar Pax say hey, our team sucks, let's suck for five more years so we are not accountable for another ten years, five years for a rebuild and five more years to allow their "plan" to play out. So 13 years guaranteed regardless.
The Hahn apologists here are legion. If the Sox go 90-72 the next eight years, Hahn still have a losing record under White Sox Gar / Pax. Anything good that happens, Hahn is genius. Anything bad, oh that's Kenny Williams' fault. Trade away future MVPs? Oh, that's Kenny's Fault. Sign ancient free agents? Oh, Kenny made Rick do that.
Sox lose, oh it's Ricky's fault. Sox win, oh, they won despite Ricky. Who signed Ricky, oh, that was Kenny's fault. Who extended Ricky? Oh, that was Kenny Williams fault.
Even "Elite" Grandal would have trouble framing Hahn's two decades with the club as successful.
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2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Grandal is on pace for a 4.2 fWAR season and a bunch of clowns on here are calling him a terrible free agent signing because an analyst who has never worked in a front office in his life has an infatuation with the back-up.
What is McCann's pace, using fWAR, bWAR, or BP's WARP? Oh yes, McCann is the superior catcher this season using any of the three, all of which account for pitch framing.
What did the Dodger's internal metrics say on resigning Grandal? Oh yes, that's right, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
What did the Brewers internal metrics say on resigning Grandal at the White Sox' price? Oh yes, that's right, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Andrew Freeman's Accomplishments:
- Three playoff appearances with the micro-payroll Tampa Devil Rays including an American League Pennant.
- Division Championships every single year with the Dodgers, Two National League Pennants, two World Series losses to cheating scandal teams (perennial cheaters Boston and Houston).
David Stern's Accomplishments:
- Rebuilt small market Brewers with Free Agents signings that, wait for it, actually helped the team.
- Won Division title within three years of taking over, losing in the NLCS to Andrew Freeman.
Rick Hahn's Accomplishments:
- Became a Friend of Jerry permanent employee for life (Jerry or his) in 2002.
- Since his promotion before the 2013 season, his teams have a 491–642 record and had no post season appearances or winning seasons until they clinched a playoff spot in 2020.
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Cleveland pushed Bieber to Wednesday vs. Giolito. They are starting Quantrill tomorrow.
Liked how Lopez has pitched his last two outings, hope he has another in him tomorrow.
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33 minutes ago, jaws7575 said:
I don't he has no protection right now ----get a good hitter behind him------I really dont care if it is robert roberts it is the same guy jack. I if you think he is a 7 hitter you have no clue-worse case bat him 9 and protect him with anderson
I've been calling for this for weeks. Looks like Roberts is adjusting the past two games with four walks. Hope he continues to do so if he isn't getting anything to hit, but you need someone better than Mazara to back him up.
This should be the everyday lineup:
- SS Anderson
- 3B Moncada
- C/1B/DH Grandal (Catches Keuchel/Cease starts)
- 1B/DH Abreu
- LF Jimenez
- CF Roberts
- C/DH McCann
- RF Mazara / Engel / Dyson
- 2B Biggie Smalls
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I do finally agree with youDoes Grandal know how to call a game? Asking for a friend
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32 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:
They actually said they care about winning the division last week.
D.J. also said during the radio broadcast he feels the team really wants to win the Division as well, not sure what Stone said or why.
A few positives I took from the game were:
1. Robert's second consecutive two walk game. Pitchers have been feeding him a heavy diet of away sliders he kept swinging feebly at. He is making adjustments and laying off, taking the walk, or four, today and yesterday.
2. Jimenez had another great game. Nice to see him run out the ball late, indicating he was OK after the scare early in the ballgame.
3. The team battled back after an early 4 spot, kept plugging away until the final at bat where they could have tied it against one of the best closers. Ricky's Boys Don't Quit!!!!
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First ejection for Rick Renteria this season, the 22nd in his White Sox tenure.
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10 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
McCann in at catcher after foul off of Grandal’s hand.
They reported on the WGN broadcast x-rays came back negative, but his hand is bruised.
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McCann in at catcher after foul off of Grandal’s hand.
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1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said:
That's Greg Luzinsky out in LF
Carlos Lee, Greg Luzinski and Carlton Fisk were gold glove LFers compared to Eloy.
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6 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:
If they're so obsessed with Mazara they could always DH him and put Engel or Dyson in RF
That negates his only positive, the fact he owns a glove.
Rather have Eloy DH and platoon LF.
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
Yeah not a chance in hell EE is brought back. I don’t think people realize how high they are on Vaughn.
I hope you are right. They’ll still likely play games with service time as they did keeping Madrigal in Schaumburg, despite the fact the new CBA may render all of these games meaningless.
Not every single rookie is worth doing this with, the two who signed extensions were, because their ceilings are much higher.
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I can see Hahn picking up Parrot’s option and keeping Mazara.
Can also see him doubling down on 12 against a ten.
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1 minute ago, soxfan49 said:
Would McCann's sheer presence have gotten the Tigers into the playoffs and helped the Sox advance to the second round?
Tigers have many holes, the sox had a few, Mazara and Parrot as bad or worse than 2019 options. Grandal’s bat appreciated, the argument is money was better allocated to the holes (RF and DH) which have grown deeper this season.
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3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I like the cut of your gib. All these posters so worried about slumps and disadvantages. What about our advantages and our strengths ?
Dunning will be the 3 pitcher in the playoffs. Imagine the BP with Bummer , Fry, Crochet and maybe Rodon from the left side when 2 weeks ago we had none of those guys and still was kicking ass.
We are at the top in a lot of offensive categories while missing Madrigal, Moncada and Mazara for most of the season for various reasons.
Most our key guys are healthy or due back shortly.
FEAR the White Sox !
I agree with the sentiment of your post, but disagree about the number 3.
Cease lines up for number three, that is why he was slotted Sunday and Dunning today.
9/22 - White Sox @ Cleveland: Lopez vs Quantrill
in 2020 Season in Review
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My vote was Anderson until the past few games, Abreu has overtaken Anderson with four games to go.
Anderson is still the player the White Sox can least afford to lose, comparing the alternatives, but Abreu had the better season.
Still want to see Anderson win the Batting Title, though the past few games have turned the race to a come from behind task.