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    I agree, players should only be here who are ready and able to succeed at this level. People have been rushed because the Sox FO did not acquire starters once again in RF, 2B and C, and had no depth this entire "multi-championship window". The point of my post is unless they bring in a bunch of new players or release / trade a bunch of existing players, there are not going to be many, if few or any Spring Training "battles", because there is simply limited talent in the organization heading into 2024. The player position roster is weaker than in any of the three tanking seasons. We will see if they sign a few starters to avoid that fate in the rotation.
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    Only one explanation. Kenny knew he would finally be held accountable.
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    This is complete bullshit. Getz had no obligation to praise Vizquel when he knew the exact reasons they fired him. Same with the Chicago Hockey Team which aided and abetted serial child rapist Brad Aldrich, not reporting the rape of their player to the CPD, recommending Aldrich for jobs working with children, and then conducting a sham internal investigation exonerating the owner. The same owner who served on the Board of Trustees at Northwestern while rampant sexual and racist abuse was taking place for decades. Thankfully Jerry Reinsdorf’s BFF Rocky Wirtz is no longer in a position to enable the destruction of the lives of countless children and young adults across the Chicago area and beyond. Sadly, Chris Getz remains in a position of authority to hire additional more people like Vizquel and Helms into positions of authority, and vile players like Clevinger into the organization. It’s the Reinsdorf way.
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    Now this is a nutty conspiracy theory. The league’s incentive is to get out of contracts it no longer wants on the books. Period. There were 90 million reasons why the league went after Bauer and let Clevinger pass. MLB pitcher Trevor Bauer agreed to a three-year, $102 million deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers, making him on of the the highest-paid players per-year in sports. Vs. The White Sox signed Clevinger in December 2022 to a one-year contract worth $12 million.
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    7,177 - No Shows 4,800 - There for the fireworks 3,200 - Given free tickets by disgruntled season ticket holders 2,500 - Twins fans 318 - Die Hard Sox Fans 6 - Keynan Middleton family members looking for free childcare. 18,001 - Announced Paid Attendance
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    Jerry already violated the CBA by commenting on Ohtani, laughing that of course his cheap dumb ass would never consider signing the premier free agent. Jerry rather lose 100 games again. Here is a link to the 2024 FAs. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/ Hopefully they won’t sign a third worthless “Highest Signed White Sox” as they did with Grandal and Benintendi.
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    Top ten worst White Sox Winning Percentage Seasons: .325 1932 .336 1948 .346 1970 .349 1934 .366 1931 .378 2023 YTD .383 2018 .388 1929 .389 2013 .390 1950 Top Ten Most Losses in a White Sox Season: 106 1970 102 1932 101 1948 100 2018 99 1934 & 2013 97 1931 & 1976 95 1968 & 2017 94 1950 & 1969 93 1929 92 1921, 1930, 1989 & 2023 YTD Years in bold are Jerry Reinsdorf owned seasons.
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    No need to sully Oscar Gamble or Billy Hamilton. He should be assigned Eddie Gaedel's 1/8.
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    Don't see many "open tryouts" beyond the catcher, second base and right field holes they had since the prior decade (save for McCann's time here). Sounds like a continuation plan of failure for bringing up players not ready and not developed by Chris Getz heading into this season (Colas, Gonzales, Sosa). Even if Jerry is willing to spend, which is doubtful with declining ticket sales for a third consecutive season, there aren't any good free agents willing to come here. As always, it will be relievers and old players signing their last contract with no other options (Dunn, La Roche, Keuchel, Grandal, Parrot, Lynn). Open Tryouts - 40 Man Roster Players under 2024 White Sox contract / control (ML Minimum - Arb 3) (Player & 2023 fWAR through 9/14) Position Players - 17 Under Control for 2024 Catchers: Carlos Perez -0.1 & Korey Lee -0.3 First Base: Andrew Vaughn 0.4 Second Base: Jose Rodriguez 0.0 vs. Lenyn Sosa -0.6 Third Base: Yoan Moncada 0.7 Shortstop: Tim Anderson -0.6 Left Field: Andrew Benintendi 0.2 Centerfield: Luis Robert 4.8 Rightfield: Oscar Colas -1.3 vs. Gavin Sheets -0.9 Designated Hitter: Eloy Jimenez 0.3 Infield Reserve: Zach Remillard 0.1 Outfield Reserve: Adam Haseley -0.2 vs. Trayce Thompson -0.3 vs. Jackson "Clint" Frasier -0.4 Reserve: Loser of one of the above "battles" Minor League Players: Bryan Ramos (AA 22 Years Old) Pitchers - 20 Under Control for 2024 Starters (6 - Threshold = 1 or more 2023 starts): Cease 3.0; Scholtens 0.4; Banks 0.0; Toussaint 0.0; Lambert -0.5; Kopech -0.9 Relievers (11): Santos 1.6; Bummer 0.7; Ramsey 0.3; Peralta 0.1; Patino 0.1; Padilla 0.0; Garcia 0.0; Navarro 0.0; Hendriks -0.1; Crochet -0.1; Cronin -0.2 Minor League Players (3 - Zero White Sox 2023 Appearances): Foster (29 - TJS); Martin (27 - AAA); Ramirez (29 - AAA). Note - Unrestricted (Chicago / Illinois Lockdowns) attendance in 2021 (late June - Year End) was higher / game than unrestricted 2022 season. 2023 is a decline from 2022, 2024 will likely be a decline from 2023 with the extinguishing of any hope after the Chris Getz / Pedro Grifol 2024 debacle.
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    Sadly not joking. I believe Clevinger receives a suspension with the same "evidence" and circumstances if he was in a long term contract the Sox were looking to shed. MLB delivers on behalf of their owners, it's the only reason NY Headquarters exist. They don't give a rats ass about the integrity of the game or the character of those involved.
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    How it started "I got a plan, I got a very good plan." - Chris Getz 8/31/23 How it's going. 7-16 .304 - Pedro guaranteed another season.
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    "Korey Lee brings winning attitude from Astros to White Sox." - 8/1/23 Scott Merkin https://www.mlb.com/news/korey-lee-brings-winning-attitude-from-astros-to-white-sox
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    Uncover a photo or video of Jerry or his minions throwing a wheelchair fan over the upper deck.
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    This. Articles and discussions about clubhouse culture are lazy and bullshit. You know what will improve the White Sox? 25 new and better players to complement Luis Robert Jr.. You know what Chris Getz is going to do? Not acquire and or develop 25 new and better players. Will be lucky to have a handful.
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    Complete MLB transcript records of the Trevor Bauer investigation: Rob Manfred: "Hello Andrew." Andrew Freidman: "Yes." Rob: "Do you guys still want to pay Trevor Bauer?" Andrew: "No." Rob: "Done, thanks." Complete MLB transcript records of the Mike Clevinger investigation: Rob Manfred: "Hello Jerry." Jerry Reinsdorf: "Yes." Rob: "This is Rob." Jerry: "f*** you." Rob: "Thank you Mr. Chairman. Do you guys still want to pay Mike Clevinger?" Jerry: "You might not believe this, but yes the contract is not expensive and I'm told he can pitch." Rob: "Got it. Done, Mike is cleared." Complete MLB transcript records of the Wander Franco investigation: Rob Manfred: "Hello Stu." Stuart Sternberg: "I told you to call me Mr. Sternberg." Rob: "Sorry sir, this won't happen again. Do you want to honor Wander Franco's contract." Andrew: "No, glad to be done with it." Rob: "Done, thanks."
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    I'm not surprised considering Getz is the same scumbag who knew about what went down when Omar Vizquel sexually assaulted a disabled bat boy, and yet praised him on the way out before attempting to gaslight Sox fans a few weeks ago. Omar Vizquel specifically targeted the bat boy because he was disabled, and another brilliant Chris Getz hire, Wes Helms, witnessed and laughed along while the bat boy was sexually assaulted. https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/08/09/formers-indians-shortstop-omar-vizquel-accused-sexual-assault-by-minor-league-batboy/ I really don't want this, because then Jerry and Getz will say see it's getting better (78 win season) and then they will continue to suck ad infinitum with no changes in place to actually change things.
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    I'm rooting for 7th or worse, since there is a least a chance Jerry is gone before the 2025 draft, and a competent FO in place to take advantage of a high draft pick. If they pick Top 6 this year, 2024 is a wasted tank year, and no guarantees they get a top 6 in 2025 regardless of how bad the Getz era unfolds.
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    Lucas, Burger and Lopez were likeable. Graveman was OK, not here very long. Kelly, Lynn and Middleton are douchebags. So glad they are gone, wish someone bit on Clevinger.
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    3-4 games over .500 should not be within sniffing distance of a legitimate playoff spot. Would have great AL division races if playoffs were limited to two teams in each league. Atlanta and Los Angeles would easily win their respective divisions, and quite frankly no other team deserves to be in the NLCS. AL East Baltimore vs. Tampa 1 GB (also ran - Toronto, Boston, New York, Cleveland, Detroit) AL West Houston vs. Texas 1/2 GB & Seattle 1 GB (also ran - Minnesota, Los Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, Oakland)
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    Trout's contract is far worse for seven more seasons ($37.1M/season). He's finished with 2.7 bWAR three of the last four seasons (one being the owner lockout 2020).
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    Hard decision between my selection and the current number 31 and my selection, the man who won the only playoff game in 1983, Dewey LaMarr Hoyt. LaMarr, as he preferred to be known, finished with 11.2 bWAR over six White Sox seasons, including a 5.0 season in 1982, where he received no Cy Young or MVP consideration, and a 3.7 season in 1983, culminating in the Cy Young Award and a 13th place finish in MVP voting.

    Sadly LaMarr Hoyt passed away in Columbia, South Carolina on November 29, 2021 at the age of 66. RIP and thanks for the memories!

    Sox Talk Join Date #0 - August 30, 2020 - Honored #0 Oscar Gamble (1985) 1949-2018

    1. March 9, 2021 (9) - #1 Lance Johnson (1988-1995)
    2. March 22, 2021 (5) - #2 Nellie Fox (1953-1963) 1927-1975
    3. May 8, 2021 (15) - #3 Harold Baines (1980-1989; 1996-1997; 2000-2001)
    4. August 8, 2021 (19) - #4 Luke Appling (1933-1943; 1945-1950) 1907-1991
    5. October 26, 2021 (8) - #5 Vance Law (1982-1984)
    6. October 31, 2021 (6) - #6 Jorge Orta (1972-1979)
    7. September 3, 2022 (19) - #7 Tim Anderson (2017-2023)
    8. September 13, 2022 (13) - $8 Pete Ward (1963-1969) 1937-2022
    9. September 22, 2022 (24) - #9 Minnie Minoso (1951-1957; 1960-1961; 1964; 1976; 1980) 1923-2015
    10. September 24, 2022 (16) - #10 Yoan Moncada (2017-2023)
    11. October 6, 2022 (12) - #11 - Luis Aparicio (1956-1962; 1968-1970)
    12. May 3, 2023 (14) - #12 A.J. Pierzynski (2005-2012)
    13. May 9, 2023 (12) - #13 Blue Moon Odom (1976)
    14. May 15, 2023 (23) - #14 Bill Skowron (1964-1967) 1930-2012
    15. May 16, 2023 (16) - #15 Dick Allen (1972-1974) 1942-2020
    16. May 19, 2023 (11) - #16 Ted Lyons (1932-1942; 1946) 1900-1986
    17. May 21, 2023 (17) - #17 Carlos May (1968-1976)
    18. May 27, 2023 (14) - #18 Claudell Washington (1978-1980) 1954-2020
    19. June 7, 2023 (11) - #19 Greg Luzinski (1981-1984) 
    20. June 15, 2023 (22) - #20 Jon Garland (2003-2007)
    21. June 19, 2023 (29) - #21 Esteban Loaiza (2003-2004)
    22. June 24, 2023 (20) - #22 Ed Farmer (1979-1981) 1949-2020 & #22 Darrin Jackson (1994-1999)
    23. June 25, 2023 (25) - #23 Lamar Johnson (1976-1981)
    24. July 1, 2023 (19) - #24 Joe Crede (2000-2008)
    25. July 14, 2023 (23) - #25 Andrew Vaughn (2021-2023)
    26. July 18, 2023 (26) - #26 Avisail Garcia (2013-2018)
    27. July 20, 2023 (20) - #27 Lucas Giolito (2017-2023)
    28. August 5, 2023 (30) - #28 Wilbur Wood (1967-1978)
    29. August 8, 2023 (24) - #29 Jack McDowell (1990-1994)
    30. August 19, 2023 (14) - #30 Tim Raines (1991-1995)
    31. September 14, 2023 (8) - #31 LaMarr Hoyt (1979-1984) 1955-2021

    Does not include days I tied for first but for whatever reason was placed second / awarded Silver:

    • 3/23/21 (7 bmags)
    • 9/11/22 (16 Fathom)
    • 9/19/22 (13 Balta)
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      South Side Hit Men

      I tied for first with 7 reputation points on September 17, 2023, but for whatever reason was placed second / awarded Silver with Reiks12 credited for the win and Gold.

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    Gallo would be third among current White Sox position players in fWAR, behind Robert Jr. (4.8) and Elvis (1.2). LOL He has been in decline phase the past two years. He had four solid previous seasons through 2021: Age 23 2017 2.8 fWAR, 41 HR, OPS .870 Age 24 2018 3.1 fWAR, 40 HR, OPS .810 Age 25 2019 3.2 fWAR, 22 HR, OPS .986 Age 27 2021 4.2 fWAR, 38 HR, OPS .809 Joey Gallo Career fWAR 15.7. Top current position players - White Sox fWAR earned (5.0 minimum): 18.6 Tim Anderson 14.4 Yoan Moncada 11.5 Luis Robert Jr. 5.3 Eloy Jimenez
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    White Sox lose another season series tonight, now down 3-7 with 3 games remaining against the Twins. The Sox have four series wins YTD, with another four possible (Arizona, Boston, San Diego and Washington). Four will be the worst across MLB. They have lost to the three teams with the worst records in MLB. Colorado (Won Nine: Boston, Chicago A. L., Cleveland, Kansas City, Los Angeles A. L., Miami, Milwaukee, New York N. L., New York A. L., Possible 3: Chicago N. L. 2-1 (3); Minnesota 0-0 (3); San Diego 4-6 (3)) Oakland (Won Six: Atlanta, Chicago A. L., Colorado, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Possible 3: Detroit 2-1 (4); Los Angeles A. L. 5-5 (3); San Diego 0-0 (3)) Kansas City (Won Five: Chicago A. L., Los Angeles N. L., New York N. L., San Diego, San Francisco. Possible 1: Houston 0-0 (6)) White Sox (Won Four: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Cleveland, New York Yankees. Possible 4: Arizona 0-0 (3); Boston 2-1 (3); San Diego 0-0 (3); Washington 0-0 (3))
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    It's hard to imagine Getz adding to this list during his current contract (3, 4 or 5 years?). FIre Chris Getz.
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