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Please reply with players who I may have missed. Player has had to played for both the White Sox (any year) & their current team in 2023, and be on the team's current 40 man roster. Former White Sox organizational players who never reached and played at least one game for the White Sox are not considered for this list. List of ex White Sox who may reach the 2023 Playoffs: Team currently over .500 Player(s) Years played on the White Sox White Sox bWAR Baltimore 90-51 James McCann 2019-2020 4.9 Boston 72-70 Reese McGuire 2022 0.0 Chris Sale 2010-2016 30.1 Chicago N. L. 76-67 Nick Madrigal 2020-2021 1.7 Houston 80-62 Jose Abreu 2014-2022 31.8 Kendall Graveman 2022-2023 1.7 Los Angeles N. L. 86-54 Joe Kelly 2022-2023 -1.0 Lance Lynn 2021-2023 4.9 Miami 73-69 Jake Burger 2021-2023 1.7 Johnny Cueto 2022 3.5 Avisail Garcia 2013-2018 6.4 David Robertson 2015-2017 2.9 Milwaukee 79-62 Thyago Vieira 2018-2019 -0.5 Minnesota 75-67 Dallas Keuchel 2020-2022 1.0 Philadelphia Dylan Covey 2017-2019 -2.9 Craig Kimbrel 2021 0.0 Tampa Bay Jake Diekman 2022-2023 -1.3 Texas Dane Dunning 2020 0.1 Marcus Semien 2013-2014 1.3 Toronto Chris Bassitt 2014 0.6

I was hoping smoke and mirrors would continue until the Dodgers started him in the playoffs. Now there is little to no chance of it beyond significant injuries. Still hope they get knocked out in the Division Series.

TWTP Count through End of Game (The Will To Post) - This post falls under Comments regarding the Game Thread 12 - Italian Beef & Combos & Videos 6 - Additional Food Discussions & Videos 7 - General White Sox Comments 7 - Comments regarding the Game Thread 2 - 1980s Work Locations Discussion 1 - Cab Calloway Discussion 4 - Actual In Game Comments Regarding the Game <=== White Sox Baseball - You Are Here / Game - White Sox Lose 3-1, back to 32 Games Under (39 Posts)

Was this a day game?

Trying real hard to remember a scenario White Sox Fans weren't considered "them" in the eyes of Jerry and his minion's "Us", and that includes Boyer. Treats fans like rubes. We don't have to look for anyone else, Robin, Tony, Getz are our guys. Pedro will return. They are the best available, I don't need to interview anybody else. Tony and Getz know it all, Getz better than Kenny and Rick combined. "Chris is the only person in 43 years to develop minor league players the right way, the way I wanted." - Jerry Reinsdorf August 31, 2023 Hard to be passionate for an organization that dumps and trashes many players and contributors that care greatly and were top contributors. Fisk, Thomas, Hawk, Ricky, Jose. "“Allen had kind of a checkered career, I wouldn’t have voted for him, he only had 6 good seasons.” - Jerry Reinsdorf

The correct answer, Polish Sausage, Beers and Mashed Potatoes and Gravy with The Crusher. "I'm going to start eating 6 pounds of Polish Sausage a day, Increase my beer from a case to a case and a half, and I'm going to eat a lot of mashed potatoes and gravy."

You are correct. Natural casing / snap is gross for sausage or dogs. I pass on Vienna as well, stick with Superdawg (may have a grocery store version soon) and Costco (Kirkland to go?) at this point. RIP Leon’s Sausage Hot Dogs (served at Wally’s, Tastee Freeze and others - “Garden on a Bun” Style. https://m.facebook.com/groups/53045031755/ Can’t help with Calumet, but love the shrimp and fish chips at Frank’s with locations on the North and South Sides. https://frankschicagoshrimp.com/franks-shrimp-locations-chicago-il-irving-park-archer-burbank/ Signed by Hahn August 7th. I never worked at the HIP but hit Aladdin’s Castle, Rolling Stones and Jan’s Deli many times in the 1980s. My jobs were with Andy Frain (many locations include Sox and Cubs) and at the horse race tracks (Arlington, Sportsman’s, Hawthorne) in high school and college. I’m more picky about food than White Sox GMs, so have to say I stick with tried and true. I’ve had bad to terrible beefs over the years. Dipped with sweet and hot the best version for me. Italian Beef is only eaten in Chicago, zero percent chance I take a chance elsewhere without at least two quality trusted vouches which I’ve yet to receive.

Finish with cole slaw, then dessert of cookie dough raw. Lets keep these threads on topic, people. Food, glorious Chicago and suburbs food. Hi de, hi de, hi de ho.

Clevinger starts are icky both on and in Soxtalk game threads. Extended boycotting all Clevinger games (listening, watching highlights) to all games after the Getz hire. Zero hope remains for White Sox Baseball until a non Reinsdorf reign is Approved by MLB. Feel like I’m at the repast. “Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of him.” - Proverbs 26:12 “And when neither sun nor stars in many days appeared, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope that we should be saved was then taken away.” - Acts 27:20 “He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.” - Job 19:10

Mr. Beef on Orleans went downhill several years ago. Al's was never good for me. Portillo's was decent before they sold to the hedge fund, now beef shrinkage, I like their sweet and hot peppers best among all the local option's I've tried. Never tried Buona, though like that they sell Rainbow Cones there. Maybe I'll stop in and try it, but hard to skip over my favorites. Johnnies is solid among the ones mentioned. I like their Italian Ice the best, their beef and combos are solid as well. I probably eat more Caputo's at home on either Italian roles or with garlic bread and of course Marconi's Hot Giardiniera, which I put on my choices below as well. Mr. Beef's on Harlem (not connected to 666 Orleans) short of the HIP was a top three until they sold a couple years ago. No it's a hard pass. Best Beef for home: Jay's - Nagle (Ridgeland for South Side Peeps) and Montrose Best Beef dine in: Bob-O's - Irving Park a few blocks east of Cumberland (First Ave for South Side Peeps) -Best fries among the choices. Best Combo: Johnnie's - North Ave. and 75th Str Best Grocery Option: Caputo's (Sold to go deli - it's not frozen). Best South Side: Scatchell's - Cermak & 47th. Though bring your own peppers (don't like depression style celery + crushed red peppers). Italian Beef Supercut!!!!

Yikes, can we stick to the thread theme here @Texsox? Pizza.

My brother likes his reviews and I've watched a few from Vegas and Chicago. I enjoy seeing a pizza before ordering, and enjoyed the two area reviews. His said his favorite non cheese slices for "off camera" are peppers, onions and mushrooms. Prefers pepperoni over sausage, so I find that a bit suspect, at least as a Chicagoan. I prefer no pizza over pepperoni, though realize Chicago is an exception in terms of more sausage sold over pepperoni. The above was discussed within the first two minutes below - politics, the feud and such are after so people can skip over if they like. My Top Two Chicago and Vegas Pizzas are: Chicago: La Villa (Pulaski & Grace) and Dino's (Higgins near Sayre). RIP Tony and Lill's and Father & Sons. Las Vegas: Amore Taste of Chicago (West Valley) and Pizza Rock (Downtown).

They were 6th in bWAR and I hate Minnesota, so more of my personal bias but yes, I can buy an argument for them being mentioned. They had the fourth best record in MLB; Houston was 107-55, New York 103-59 and Los Angeles 106-56. Minnesota was a bigger WS Championship Underdog than just about any other 100 + win team heading into the playoffs in MLB history. The sad AL Central had a greater tanking stench then usual (Detroit 47-114; KC 59-103 & Sox 72-90).

It's the worst in the Reinsdorf era, IMO. An infant and not cognizant of 1970, limited remembrance of the 1976 season. MLB Standing and bWAR Rankings across MLB (1969-2023) 1970 - Worst Record (56-106) and worst bWAR Rank (-22.5). 1976 - Second Worst Record (64-97) and second worst bWAR Rank (-13.7). 2023 - Fourth Worst Record (54-86) and fourth worst bWAR Rank (-17.3) YTD. 2018 - Third Worst Record (62-100) and fifth worst bWAR Rank (-17.3). 2013 - Third Worst Record (63-99) and sixth worst bWAR Rank (-11.2).

It has been a minute, but I consider these six teams as legitimate WS contenders based on the current playoff rules. The actual World Series winner (Kansas City) is arguably the weakest of the six. 2006 Detroit (95-67 - 5th highest Team bWAR) - Lost World Series 4-1 vs. Saint Louis. 2007 Cleveland (96-66 - 4th highest Team bWAR) - Lost Game 7 of ALCS to WS Winner Boston (WS Sweep) 2013 Detroit (93-69 - 2nd highest Team bWAR) - Lost ALCS 4-2 to WS Winner Boston 2015 Kansas City Royals (95-67 - 7th highest Team bWAR) - Won World Series 2016 Cleveland (94-67 - 5th highest Team bWAR) - Lost Game 7 of the World Series 2017 Cleveland (102-60 -1st in Team bWAR) - Lost ALDS 3-2

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Has either site or another writer quantified as to the major differences between the two WAR calculation methods? Would be interesting, but it seems as the Baseball Reference is more middle of the road and Fangraphs has a wide variance considering the entire season. To me the bWAR looks more realistic for most. How are Lance Lynn and Aaron Bummer positive pitchers? How is Cease nearly a 3 win pitcher? Current / Ex White Sox 2023 YTD bWAR (b) / fWAR (f) (includes all 2023 for players traded. players with a +/- 1.0 or greater difference listed below): 1.9 Lance Lynn b -1.4 vs. f 0.5 1.7 Aaron Bummer b -1.0 vs. f 0.7 1.7 Dylan Cease b 1.0 vs. f 2.7 1.7 Michael Kopech b 0.9 vs. f -0.8 1.2 Tim Anderson b -1.8 vs. f -0.6

? this regarding Keynan Middleton, who just joined Liam on the IL. https://nypost.com/2023/09/06/yankees-put-keynan-middleton-on-il-in-latest-bullpen-blow/

HRI is very good, but I typically pick up V & N II, which is probably not available in Florida. Its associated with the one in Hickory Hills, not the Chicago one on Pulaski. I like the sauce on these the best, crust is good, cheese & toppings meh but works in a pinch. https://vitoandnicksiifrozenpizza.com

Tanking trades remaining players: Cease Age 27, 1.0 bWAR Kopech 27, 0.9 Jimenez 26, 0.3 Moncada 28, 0.2

Tale of the Tape: Ownership: Both Suck. Chris Illitch brought payroll from Top 5 (2012-2017) under father to Bottom 10-12 ($197M 2017; $80M-$135M since). Jerry is worse, but hopefully Jerry’s tenure is shorter and his children do not take over. Front Office: Detroit. Scott Harris hired in 2022 from San Francisco. Jerry hired the guy he likes to watch games with, has no credentials or experience. All stated knowledge comes from sitting with Pedro and running a failed player development program. Manager: Detroit. Reinsdorf blocked Hinch, hired DUI guy. Keeping Pedro Grifol because cheap and baseball stupid. Team: Detroit. Detroit holds a 9 1/2 game lead in the standings, 4-6 lead in the season series. Sox need a series sweep to win the season series. Pizza: Chicago! Tavern Cut > Detroit Style Anywhere > Little Caesars White Sox Season Series Won or Possible Series Wins: (Remaining Games, Required Minimal Record) Arizona 0-0 (3 home 2-1) Atlanta 2-1 Boston 2-1 (3 away 2-1) Cincinnati 2-1 Cleveland 8-5 Detroit 4-6 (3 away 3-0) Kansas City 5-5 (3 home 2-1) Minnesota 3-6 (4 home 4-0) New York Yankees 4-2 San Diego 0-0 (3 home 2-1) Washington 0-0 (3 away 2-1)

One owner hires quality baseball executives based on industry qualifications, gives them an annual budget, and lets them spend how they, as professionals, see fit. The other is Constanza, does the complete opposite, yet acts as though he is superior and his 29 fellow owners are rubes. Jerry knows more Brooklyn Dodgers than he does White Sox, but sadly he won't implement Branch Rickey's saying he made famous on the South Side "Luck is the residue of design." (OG quote by John Milton).

This is not accurate for a good portion of the general public, which both teams are trying to reach. I agree most avid fans including fans involved enough to be on a message board pick one or the other exclusive over the other Chicago team and 28 other teams. I liked both teams as a child, had family members in both camps, went to games at both parks. Shifted 100% Sox in 1977 after taking s%*# from my mostly NW side Cub fan friends and classmates. If I lived in the Suburbs or other City area with more of a mix, I still may have wanted both to win, but Sox primary. The money grab drunken douchebag filled interleague games, and society in general has become more coarse over the past 45 years leading to greater hatred. Never wanted the Cubs to win the WS, but once they did could give a rats ass what they do unless the Sox meet them in the WS again. Hopefully Jerry and Manfred won't f*** that up by obliterating the 120 year American League / National League setup with yet another money grab to have more douchebag drunken Sox vs. Cubs games on the schedule. It's already four games too many. Jerry and most MLB owners run the sport like tobacco company executives. Drain your core fans until they die, don't invest amount in growing fans, screw fans over every chance possible. The city and attendance was basically 50/50 until Jerry bought the team, alienated a good portion Chicagoans with PPV and threatening to move, and now the town is 2/3 vs. 1/3 Cubs. The Cubs didn't do much beyond air games on WGN and not be total assholes, but that was enough to claim 20% more fans here over Jerry's 43 years. A decent human being with marketing sense could reverse this trend, but it's going to take a generation of solid effort to bring the split closer to 50/50. No Reinsdorf has it in them to accomplish this. The team needs a Reinsdorf Family Enema cleansing of the ownership box with a new forward thinking owner to reset the overall fan experience and to bring a legitimate contending team on the field fans can support. Air a solid number of games on free TV (English / Spanish) to reverse further erosion of fan interest and instead grow fan interest in the White Sox specifically, and baseball in general. Market tickets in schools like Veeck did, many free ticket options for perfect attendance and A/B grades. Accept cash at the ticket and concession booths, and don't look like WalMart or Target with your 99 cent pricing as if a hot dog was as much of a decision as a car.

Having two executives oversee Baseball Operations demonstrates the complexity involved in managing several different baseball operation areas, and in most instances owner commitment to adequately funding executive management, organizational infrastructure and on field product (A. L. Central Teams the primary exceptions). Positive or Negative Winning Percentage (2013-2022) - Team - Last World Series Win (If Applicable) Teams currently with a President Level Executive AND a seperate General Manager: .539 Boston (Chaim Bloom / Brian O'Halloran) - 2018 (David Dombrowski) .520 Chicago N. L. (Jed Hoyer / Carter Hawkins) - 2016 (Theo Epstein / Jed Hoyer) .557 Cleveland (Chris Antonetti / Mike Chernoff) - 1948 (Bill Veeck!) .613 Los Angeles N. L. (Andrew Friedman / Brandon Gomes) - 2020 (Andrew Friedman) .480 Minnesota (Derek Falvey / Thad Levine) - 1991 (Andy MacPhail) .464 Philadelphia (Dave Dombrowski / Sam Fuld) - 2008 (Pat Gillick) .559 Saint Louis (John Mozeliak / Mike Girsch) - 2011 (John Mozeliak) .505 San Francisco (Farhan Zaidi / Pete Putila) - 2014 (Brian Sabean) .502 Seattle (Jerry Dipoto / Justin Hollander) - Never (1977-2022) .533 Tampa Bay (Erik Neander / Peter Bendix) - Never (1998-2022) .507 Toronto (Mark Shapiro / Ross Atkins) - 1993 (Pat Gillick) Atlanta and Houston are the outliers on the list below in terms of sustained postseason success in the 2010s/2020s, and they have both made substantial investments in beefing up their front office and on-field talent. Teams currently with a "Single Baseball Decision Maker" (Combined President/EVP/SVP & GM Role): .464 Arizona (Mike Hazen) - 2001 (Joe Garagiola) .523 Atlanta (Alex Anthopoulos) - 2021 (Alex Anthopoulos) .453 Baltimore (Mike Elias) - 1983 (Henry Peters) .461 Chicago A. L. (Chris Getz) - 2005 (Kenny Williams) .451 Cincinnati (Nick Krall) - 1990 (Bob Quinn Sr.) .461 Colorado (Bill Schmidt) - Never (1993-2022) .452 Detroit (Scott Harris) - 1984 (Bill Lajoie) .548 Houston (Dana Brown) - 2022 (James Click) .470 Kansas City (J. J. Picollo) - 2015 (Dayton Moore) .489 Los Angeles A. L. (Perry Minasian) - 2002 (Bill Stoneman) .431 Miami (Kim Ng) - 2003 (Larry Beinfest) .512 Milwaukee (Matt Arnold) - Never (1970-2022) .565 New York A. L. (Brian Cashman) - 2009 (Brian Cashman) .505 New York N. L. (Billy Eppler) - 1986 (Frank Cashen) .509 Oakland (David Forst) - 1989 (Sandy Alderson) .479 Pittsburgh (Ben Cherington) - 1979 (Harding Peterson) .466 San Diego (A. J. Preller) - Never (1969-2022) .470 Texas (Chris Young) - Never (1972-2022) .513 Washington (Mike Rizzo) - 2019 (Mike Rizzo)