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I does, but if indeed it's true its such a shallow victory. Until Jerry and Rick are gone, we will never be on the right track to success and winning another title!

Shocking! So unlike Hahn to make a dumb front office decision!

Nah! We are the worst! Upon further review and going to the tiebreaker, the judges have ruled the Sox are the worst team in baseball because we have JR and RH.

You're right, they can't with Jerry and Rick as the shot callers! This is why most of us have been demanding for Jerry to sell. If won't sell, which he realistically wont for now, then he needs to go to the outside and bring in a young smart rising GM from a super successful organization and make him president. This new top executive needs full authority without any owner interference to clean this mess up.

I don't care what the return is back on trades for them. If you can trade those two slugs and get that wasted money off the Sox 2023 payroll, then do it all day long.

He might be a business man first and foremost, but he is god awful horrible at running his business. If you want to tell me...well, he makes money so he is doing good as a businessman, I laugh and ridicule that. That might be true, but that is not because of Jerry's incredible business savvy and talents. It's more a part of being one of 30 owners in this extremely lucrative multi-billion dollar sport in the third largest market. The fact is, if a sharp owner and front office were actually running the Sox instead of Jerry, this organization would without a doubt make significantly more money. Keep in mind, more owners become owners for the excitement and thrill of owning a team. They become an owner to win a championship and not necessarily make money or need money to survive like for example, the McCaskey's need with the Bears. Most billionaire owners usually have made their billions in another business or businesses and now their new team is more of a hobby or expensive fun "toy" so to speak. When you have an owner who could care less about winning and just making money, then you have what we have in Chicago...which is a old demented and clueless owner that is embarrassing the Sox organization and baseball in general. More importantly, Jerry is blatantly telling his loyal die-hard fanbase, he doesn't give a s%*# and we can all go f*** ourselves if we don't like it. Shame on anyone who spends any money on this team if JR does nothing and the same insanity and same people all come back for 2023! Sox fans can't spend money and go to games and then complain about the losing and then expect change. It doesn't and shouldn't work that way. Only under a JR and no other owner in baseball can Rick Hahn have such poor results and this total debacle for a rebuild....and get to keep his job.

I agree its not just TLR. I do want him gone! However I have said it often adamantly in many of my posts here, I want Hahn and the front front office gone, as well as many of those Sox players gone, who either gave up, played lazy or stupid, or just flat out chocked and underperformed all season. Unfortunately you can't chant fire the players! You can however, fire the top person Hahn and let the new president fire the players!

I hope so too. If it doesn't then those losers need to be gone!

I think you are missing the point of why many of us hypothetically want a guy like Cleveland's Mike Chernoff. It is not to copy Cleveland's roster. The reason we want a guy like that is to steal away a rising young GM who understands how to build a roster with a small budget because he has to build from the draft and minors and not free agency. He took up 15 rookies to their roster this year. Getting a Chernoff is exactly what the LA Dodgers did several years ago when they recruited away Andrew Friedman from Tampa. He was a young rising GM at Tampa just like Chernoff in Cleveland and great at developing scouting, drafting and development of young talent in the minors. Like Cleveland, the Rays always had one of the smallest payrolls. The key here is the Dodgers recruited Friedman for his ability to build a team through the draft and build a farm system with a tiny budget. They made him president from a GM. The brilliant idea was now Friedman got to spend big money and go get top free agents and look what he has done. He has won a WS and been to second WS. He also and has the #2 ranked farm system. the Dodgers clearly are not only the winningest team but probably the strongest roster top to bottom. This is exactly why we would want Chernoff. He knows how to build a farm system and develop talent through proper scouting, drafting and coaching in the minors. However here is the bonus....Chernoff could now have a big payroll to spend which he doesn't have in Cleveland to go get free agents while still building and strengthening the Sox farm system, The Sox had the 7th highest payroll last year. Money wasn't the problem. The problem was the inept Rick Hahn spending the money poorly and stupidly on bad contracts through bad trades or free agent signings It seems to me if you get a young and smart GM from a winning organization who has to do it through the minors with a small payroll....and now he can also spend big money, that seems like a possibility of copying what the Dodgers did. They call that "best practices!"

There is no documented proof that she wants to be the majority owner. Yet on the other hand there is no proof from your end that there aren't any minority owners who wouldn't want to buy the team right now. If a person buys 30% of the team knowing shares of ownership are even being sold off, you have to hope or assume their purpose might be to buy the majority when the team is being sold one day. If you look at many of the owners throughout sports, many of them initially got in buying portions of the team and then eventually buying out the remainder. She also has a minority stake ownership with the Denver Broncos. I just think if you already own 30% of the team, at some point when the team is sold, with the money she has available to her, its more than possible for her to become majority owner of the Sox! From her bio and huge accomplishments and titles, she doesn't seem like a person who wants to be just a silent owner and have little or no say. It's been documented and stated here numerous times that when JR passes away, he wants the team sold. All we can do is wait and hope it's some rich owner who is extremely smart and business savvy and can spend the money. The day that happens, regardless of who is the next Sox owner, for once will have an real opportunity to become a winner and not this pathetic loser organization they currently run under the demented loser JR.

Currently Melody Hobson, the second and current wife of billionaire George Lucas, a black woman, owns 30% of the White Sox. See my post below on her credentials!

I like and agree with this list except on two things. 1. Keep Abreu but not a a player. Give him some important asst. director position of scouting for the international market. With his name and background he could be huge especially helping to recruit the top Cuban players. I really think it's time to give Vaughn the reigns to first base daily. I think his hitting will actually improve just knowing he doesn't have the pressure of playing the corner outfields. 2. Unless the haul of prospects back for a Eloy Jimenez trade was too much to pass up, I would not want to get rid of Eloy. His potential is too great to risk seeing him explode at another team. I think we learned if he is a DH and with a strong manager and batting coach, he could be a big time HR/RBI producer.

That is correct and would be Melody Hobson, the second and current wife of billionaire George Lucas. She is 53 years old and is a black woman. She grew up in Chicago and went to St Ignatius HS and has a degree from Princeton University, from the Woodward Wilson School Of International Relations and Public Policies. Additionally she was awarded the University's highest honor, the Woodward Wilson Award, presented to the Princeton graduate whose career embodies a commitment to national service. Her background is beyond extensive and strong and would be an excellent owner: She has received Honorary Doctorate degrees from: Howard University Johns Hopkins University St. Mary’s College University of Southern California. Currently works as: - CEO of Ariel Investments, a 15 billion dollar company headquartered in Chicago. - Vice Chairwoman of Starbucks Corporation - Vice Chairwoman of World Business Chicago - Former Chairwoman of DreamWorks Animation - On the Board of Directors for: - JP Morgan Chase - George Lucas Education Foundation - Bloomberg Philanthropies - Los Angeles County Museum of Art - Rockefeller Foundation Board of Trustees In 2020, she was listed on the Forbes list of the World's 100 Most Powerful Women. She has an estimated net worth on her own of 100 million. Obviously she is married to her husband George who has an estimated net worth of 5.1 billion. Now that she owns 30% of the White Sox! It's seems fairly obvious with her Chicago ties and background, she is hopefully interested and prepared to buy the majority of the White Sox when our idiot owner Reinsdorf finally decides to sell or passes away. To me this would be a major home run and no-brainer some day with her intelligence, business savvy and experience and deep pockets. Yeah, I don't know, but I think that might be a lot better for Sox fans than dumbf*#k JR ?

This is obviously a great question! Regardless of how many and which ones, it will be complete Insanity if Rick Hahn and TLR and coaching staff are not held accountable and FIRED! Yeah that's right...and we all know the definition of Insanity....lets roll out 2023 with the same FO, manager, coaching staff and players, give or take a few minor roster changes and it will get all better and different results next season and back to winning a division and making the playoffs! ?

You're right and that's the worst thing an owner can do to his loyal diehard fans like the Sox fans are. As I've said in other posts, the fans need to back up their frustrations of this team and send Jerry a loud message and not go to anymore games this season nor buy their season tickets or single games or packages until major change is done.

This joke team probably does hurt Dylan's chances. I think most of us agree with you that Verlander wins the Cy Young. Again, read the title of the post please! - "This group of players has quit and is not playing hard anymore." Discuss! No offense, but your comments have nothing to do with this post!

Totally agree and I think 29 other owners would too, if these results fell on their lap. Sadly one demented owner Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't care and is too demented and stubborn to care or realize this.

You are replying to the wrong post. This has nothing to do with whether Cease wins the Cy Young! This post was about which Sox players quit or stoped playing hard!

He nailed it and my feelings as well!

I know several players have chocked and given up! However I'll tell you one player who never quit this season and gave his best effort 100 percent every outing and that is Dylan Cease. Yet another game today, when he didn't have his nasty best stuff and yet went 6 innings with no runs. Sadly another outing this year of many, where he left with the lead and pitched awesome, and yet our shitty inconsistent bullpen failed him. His last 2 outings of 12 innings 1 ER and left both games after 6 innings with the lead. The team quit and chocked on him!

Yep just fits right into this ongoing nightmare that this entire 2022 season and rebuild since 2016 has been a total trainwreck! And Rick Hahn deserves and earned the right to keep his job for what reasons? None right? Oops, I forgot Jerry Reinsdorf.

That's called delusional rationalization and lying to the fans and his owner.

Let's hope for a horrible "get's clobbered" start, He did have two against the Sox! It shows on the schedule he has 2 starts left which are both home to Arizona and Philadelphia. It's probably a done deal for Verlander but we can only hope! At least Dylan was one of the few bright spots on this team that made watching him pitch exciting. Oh yeah he did this great pitching all year without ever being injured!

By any remote chance, were you perhaps referring to Diekman as "BRUTAL" for this reason? in 22 Sox games this year, the 35 yr old Diekman = W-L - 0-3 / ERA 7.31 - (13 ER's in 16 innings) / 25 Hits / 10 BB's? Note: He gave up more runs than the 16, due to coming in relief and not holding his inning free of any further runs, which unfortunately did not get attached to him! WTG Hahn! Another one of your brilliant trades during this 6 year trainwreck rebuild! Proof on this Diekman trade: Go check on Reese McGuire's batting stats since he was traded away to Boston!

Let's see Keppinger goes back to 2103. Common dominators: Jerry Reinsdorf Kenny Williams Rick Hahn And it won't stop until these three clowns are gone!