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Actually I think it is you my friend looking at this all wrong. Of course many teams want Crochet. His upside is huge! However if you are weak at pitching prospects in the minors, then you give away position players vs your potential top pitching prospects you already have. The one thing we do have a lot of in the minors are position players. Or perhaps the Sox trade as a package using the pitchers like Ruiz, Martin, Bummer, Foster, Lambert, VV and Banks to name a few. The Cubs gave up on Cease because they thought he would never reach the potential he has reached...and thus why they felt it was worth giving him up to get Quintana. Btw, that just might just be the worst Cub's trade only second to Lou Brock, especially if Eloy ever reaches his potential. Be careful what you wish for. If our pitching is still a problem in a few years and we see Crochet go off and have greatness with another team...how will Sox fans feel then? I have many Cubs friends and it sickens them to see Cease killing it and not even have Quintana to show for it.

As the old adage goes, "be careful what you wish for"! Trading away Crochet before the Sox find out what he can do, could be another potential Dylan Cease mistake the Cubs regret to this day.

As I said, if the worst case he is a permanent late inning reliever that could be a huge benefit. Look how many games were blown this season because of our bullpen always imploding. Although I still think in a few years he is a starter. I still don't think the Sox will trade him right now. We don't want to be pissed down the road like Cubs fans are every time they see Cease throw another gem.

Yeo, I worry about the same things. Hahn might be desperate and we know his track record on trades at the deadline. Our farm system sucks already and to deplete it further for a few rentals is so dumb.

We will have to agree to disagree. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Sox will trade Crochet or give up on making him a starter. Let's say he is never a starter, you can't tell me he couldn't be a reliable reliever. Again, with the complete lack of pitching prospects in the minors, the last thing the Sox need to do is give up and trade Garrett Crochet. Anybody who is still adamant to trade Crochet, seriously haven't followed the White Sox farm system and their pitching prospects.

Absolutely not! Moore is 33 and Peres is 31 and both will be UFA's next season That is too much to give up for two rentals.

I never said in any previous post that he could go to starter in one year or the very second he starts pitching again at the major league level. I simply said, in time he could become a starter. I know a pitcher needs to be conditioned to work up to a starter's role and that's why I think in time Crochet can be ramped up to be a starter over time. To say he will never be a starter though is ridiculous. To state it like it's a 100 percent done deal is absurd. Since you are not on the Sox staff and are not in charge of the coaching, rehabbing and strength work, that the Sox will require him to perform in order to work towards being a starter, you cannot make that statement like it's a fact and done deal. You can only state it's your opinion. Hahn said it several times that the Sox plan was to eventually make Crochet a starter. Why would they back off that goal. As I said before, it wouldn't be a bad thing for Crochet to be a relief pitcher for a year or so until he can get conditioned and ramped up to become a starter. In the worst case scenario, even if he never becomes a starter, he could be a productive 8th inning set up guy. Plus to your point that unless he is willing to spend two full seasons in the minors is really outlandishly wrong. First of all, it never has or ever will be, the choice of the player on how long he wants to stay in the minors. Secondly, the Sox FO will decide that faith. Based on his draft slot and huge upside potential, I doubt the Sox would keep a top pitching prospect in the minors for two more years to work him into a starter. He will simply be a reliever and then slowly work his strength up, as they did with Kopech and Chris Sale. Again, what is the rush to get rid of Crochet? He is #1 pick, only 23 yrs old and capable of perhaps once again throwing upper 90's with a wicked slider. Pitching is and always will be the most important position in baseball. If you haven't been studying the minors at all four levels, which I do often, I factually can assure you that we have horrible pitching prospects in our farm system. Go check the ERA's and how they compare to other farm systems! This is why all four minor league teams are all under .500 and a combined 161-202 or.443! This is also why depending on the which media source you read, the Sox farm system is rated between 28th to 30th. I would think the last thing we need is to get rid of good pitching prospects. Btw, the comparison of Bolt going from the 100 to a marathon is a really dumb analogy. If you actually knew anything about track training, you would know that comparison is impossible to ever attain, due to body frame structure, muscle twitch fibers, types of training, etc. It might be more realistic to compare going from the 100 to the 400 meters.

Yes and add in Menechino.

Excellent analysis and this just makes more me sick that we waste away this potential talent because of two POS losers TLR and Menechino.

You are right on one thing the front office is clueless. Even if the analytics dept saw this problem, they can't do anything about it, because the demented and arrogant owner won't fire TLR. Plus TLR is so lost in his time machine past and doesn't realize what a loser Menechino really is.

Absolutely if you can lock up Anderson, Vaughn and Cease in a long term contract for reasonable money...do it in a heartbeat. Since our cheap demented owner doesn't want to spend money, its the only safe way for the Sox to keep good players.

Oh so Happ is now head and shoulders better than Vaughn and Robert when they play the outfield. Again you are missing the big picture, we already have one of the lowest ranked farm systems and to give away potential future stars for just an average player like Happ is plain dumb. Plus Happ has been inconsistent, yes he is having a decent year., but how do you know he won't go back to previous years like '20 and '21. In 2020 the pandemic season he hit 12 HR's and .258 in what was strictly the NL and AL central divisions. They were the two worst divisions in baseball that year. Last year he hit 25 HR's and a .226 BA in Wrigley field, The majority of their games were against the weak NL central teams. Adding Happ will not produce a playoff winning team. Yes, right field has been a problem this year, but not anywhere close to the problem with the constant poor starting pitching from Kopech, Giolito and Lynn, followed by a horrible bullpen and which was very inconsistent until recently, along with way too many underperforming players like Moncada, Eloy, Grandal, AJ Pollack, Garcia, Harrison, Sheets and Engel. Crochet was doing a good job until he tore his tendon in his arm and thus needed TJ surgery. It was suggested he probably was playing hurt for quite awhile and why he lost the speed on his fastball. That's why people go get TJ surgery so they can get a new surgically repaired arm which has worked out great for many pitchers. I don't need to go ask anyone else or other so called experts on Crochet's road to recovery. I have seen what other pitchers have done after tommy john surgery including Justin Verlander this year and in the past Shohei Ohtani, deGrom, Strasburg, Smoltz, Darvish and many others and Kopech until he hurt his knee. Oh btw, we will be needing pitchers a few years from now. I don't care if it takes a little time and that's why I'm confused why you would give away a 23 yr old former #1 pick with a lot of upside for an average at best player.

Happ is not some superstar you seem to project him as and that he will be the reason to save our season. That is actually comical if you believe that. He most definitely isn't worth giving up Crochet for others in addition to Crochet. Additionally, your analysis of Crochet is so wrong. He is not technically a reliever. He was only used as a reliever in his rookie season due to not being able to go through the minors because of Covid. In time he can definitely be solid starter for us. Again until we find out how he can bounce back from Tommy John surgery, it would be foolish to give Crochet up, since starters are the most valuable pieces to a championship team. Plus even if he isn't a starter for two years, he will not be wasted in the bullpen. If Crochet after TJ surgery can eventually get back to his upper 90's fastball and especially since he has a above average nasty slider, is why trading him away is just ridiculous.

First of all I'm not wrong about Happ. All my long time die hard Cubs friends seem to be happy to get rid of Happ. Secondly, that was not my point of my post. I said to give up Crochet, Vera, Colas or Montgomery would be stupid to give up for Happ. If you can get Happ for some other less important prospects then fine.

We don't need Happ! This 2022 season is his only good year in the majors thus far and had a .241 lifetime BA entering the season. He is only hitting .279 with 9 HR's. That is not worth giving away valuable prospects. Giving away Crochet a first round pick from two years ago with his potential and not seeing what he could do after Tommy John surgery is just absurd. I do agree we with you we should not give away Vera, Montgomery and Colas for anyone.

I don't know what their record will be, but it better be well above .500. In fact, we will probably know in the next 14 games if the Sox are truly legitimate contenders. Next 14 games for Twins, Guardians and White Sox. For Twins W-L @ Milwaukee (2) 53-43 @ San Diego (3) 54-43 vs. Detroit (3) 38-58 vs. Toronto (4) 53-43 @. LA Dodgers (2) 64-30 262-217 .546 For Guardians: @ Boston (4) 48-48 @ Rays (3) 52-43 vs. Dbacks (3) 42-53 vs. Astros (4) 64-32 206-176 .539 For White Sox @ Colorado (2) 43-53 Oakland (3) 35-63 Kansas City (3) 38-57 @ Texas (4) 43-51 @ Kansas City (first 2 of 4) 38-57 197-281 .412 If they don't take advantage of this part of the schedule and make up those four games, then you can pretty much assume this team is not mentally and physically tough enough to win arguably the weakest division in baseball.

Of all the dumb decisions Hahn has made, this would be near the top! It would be ridiculous to trade any prospects, which we already have a limited amount of, to get Rodon back, who was already allowed to walk away free and we got nothing in return the first time. Everyone seems to forget that Rodon was doing great through this same time in the first half last year. He was 8-5 with a 2.49 ERA at the end of the first half. It's in the second half, his innings and starts went down dramatically. This was obviously due to a 10 Day IL stint in the second half and all his second half starts having long gaps between them, which was due to a tired/sore arm. Second Half - 2021 Date Start Inn Pitches Hits ER 08/07/21 1 5 89 2 0 19 Days Rest 10 Day IL on 8-21 08/26/21 2 5 67 5 2 6 Days Rest 09/01/21 3 5 77 5 1 9 Days Rest 09/10/21 4 5 86 3 1 10 Days Rest 09/20/21 5 3 69 2 2 9 Days Rest 09/29/21 6 5 69 1 0 9 Days Rest 10/12/21 7 2.2 56 3 2 13 Days Rest Totals 7 30 513 21 8 Ave Per Start 4.2 73.2 3 1.4 To give up any prospect and possibly get these same results again, would be dumb and risky. Not to mention he will be a free agent at the end of this season. His productivity wasn't the issue, it was his lack of being available to pitch in the second half! As the old adage goes, "two wrongs don't make a right!" Maybe a better solution is for Lynn, Kopech and Giolito to step up and start pitching like they were expected to.

I wasn't debating whether someone does that. I was informing the gentleman that injuries are publicly described on the record as he was incorrect that injuries are kept confidential. Btw, people do check injury reports that play fantasy sports. As far as privacy of players and their injuries that you are alluding to, there is no federal law that protects players where can can demand their injuries be kept private and unreported. When you sign to play in one of the four professional leagues, you are under the legal bylaws of that league. The four professional leagues all have the right to publish the status of their players' injuries. In fact, the NFL is most strict about this and when NFL teams do not report the correct updated status of injuries they can be fined by the league. The players do not have the right by law to tell their team or league, to keep their injury a secret and unreported to the public. As I mentioned from the start in my reply, if you played fantasy sports you would know that injuries are public knowledge and the importance of following the newest updated injury reports before submitting your lineup.

The Metra northwest line train literally stops right at Arlington Park in Arlington Heights that comes from the downtown Chicago Ogilvy station. All types of public transportation feed into downtown Chicago. In fact, that is one of the many reasons the Chicago Bears loved the purchase of Arlington Park,, besides the easy access to all major expressways and tollways. However you are missing the point of this thread. The only good reason to go to Arlington Park with the Bears, if the Bears would even agree to it, is to share in the astronomical costs of building the stadiums and parking lots. This why other cities in the country have done this and combined parking lots around two separate stadiums right next to each other.

Yes they can! Go to the White Sox main page at MLB and they update the injuries daily with specific MRI, X-rays details and timelines of when they are due back. We are not asking for a sports talk radio guy to inform us, but the FO of the White Sox.

These twitter fans are laughable are not only insane idiots, but baseball ignorant. Losing that much for Soto would be more than 3-5 wins IMO! Anyone here who still thinks this is worth it, needs to look at these players and their production and potential. Cease is only 26 and arguably becoming one of the best pitchers in baseball. Colson Montgomery is 20 yrs old and last year's #1 pick who has slash lines between Kannapolis and Winston-Salem this year of: at Kann - 45 games .324/.424/.476/.900 and at W-S - 18 games .323/438/538/.976 Vaughn is 24 and the 2020 #3 overall pick. His production speaks for itself, especially when you consider how huge is upside is never playing one day in the minors.

I don't think it would drop at all. They would pick up more fans from the north, northwest and west suburbs. As far as the city and the south sides go, the location has access to so many tollways and expressways. Arlington Park is off of highway 53 which is off of the Northwest tollway, 290 and 355. Don't forget you have the Metra northwest line that stops right at Arlington Park from downtown. Everyone in the city just needs to get downtown to the Ogilvy station and then straight to the Arlington Park stop.

They made it work for Kansas City and that entire complex is 220 acres. Arlington Park is 326 acres. They could easily do it.

I totally agree with this. The Sox should definitely go in together with the Bears at Arlington Heights. It works in Kansas City with the Royals in Kauffman Stadium and the Chiefs in Arrowhead Stadium, where both stadiums sit across the same parking lot from each other at the Truman Sports Complex.

Cease. Let's hope he goes on and becomes the 18th player in MLB history to be snubbed in making the all-star team, but goes on to win the Cy Young!