The Beast

How many options does Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens have?

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 1, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) Boy will they look stupid going out and having fun when you are following these strangers around video taping them because you think they are beneath you. POST THE YOUTUBE LINK!!!!! We've gotten over the fact that I think "people are beneath me", man. Move on.

So, I assume the thin air in Arizona isn't an excuse for MacDougal? What seems to be his issue, lack of movement, location or lack of speed on his pitches?

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 28, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) i think this should become the new drunk posting thread. Yeah, especially since the debate is over. You know, I'm going to ask for a video camera for my birthday, go around campus and put drunk video tapes on youtube or blue box.

QUOTE(G&T @ Feb 28, 2008 -> 04:52 PM) St. Patrick's Day will fall on spring break for most schools. Bummer, why can't they just celebrate it like normal back home?

Why are some campuses having 'unofficial' St. Patrick's Day celebrations?

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Feb 27, 2008 -> 11:52 PM) But, i honestly don't care too much about being that social, so it really never mattered to me. I think that is what it really comes down to for me. QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Feb 27, 2008 -> 11:41 PM) I can honestly say you are the most serious person I've ever met. Why's that?

QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Feb 27, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) haha, joke much? Anyways DGS was a pretty decent school. There are much, much worse out there. No, I don't need to "joke much." DGS was a half-assed school with several cliques and corruption of some faculty members and administrators. No wonder the faculty is in trouble for not meeting state scores---I hope some people get canned. I'm confused as to why you've added me as a friend, but that's okay.

Is anyone going to give play-by-play here or in the chat?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 27, 2008 -> 02:03 PM) Yeah. They had Farmio and Singleton on for like 2 minutes and switched it to Paxson and the Bulls. I don't know why the Score is doing that---they are definitely alienating a lot of listeners.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 27, 2008 -> 01:57 PM) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They took off the online feed! I'm getting the Score's online feed where they are talking about the Bulls. Are you discussing that online feed?

QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Feb 26, 2008 -> 11:55 PM) Completely unnecessary. Why is that completely unnecessary? Come on now, seriesly.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Feb 26, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) Oh, and Ross, like I said earlier in the thread, much respect to ya bro. Thanks SoxAce. Go Sox!

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 26, 2008 -> 09:56 AM) I think that's a key here. There's definitely a "holier-than-thou" vibe coming through Beast's posts to me, and that's something that annoys me. Not as a drinker (it's been months since I've been drunk), but just in general. On the other hand, I have a friend who doesn't drink, but he also doesn't (outwardly, at least) judge everyone who does. He'll go to parties and have a good time. Hell, he's thrown some great parties. Comments like "I don't want to ruin my relationship with my girlfriend" just don't make much sense to me. Hell, the way I met my current gf (of 3 years now, and living together) was at a serious of parties that we were both pretty drunk at. I've been drunk without her around, and she without me, but we've never done anything to hurt each other or even had the thought to cheat/ fool around/ whatever. The desire to do that just aisn't there for me and alcohol doesn't magically bring them on. Again, I don't want to come off as "holier than thou." That's the difference between your friend and I, he wants to be around that stuff, I'm not really into that scene so I don't want to be around it. This is not saying he is wrong, either. QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 26, 2008 -> 09:36 AM) Honestly, I think we'd all agree with YAS, it's just that i think blood got boiled by that instead of just saying you dont drink, you called out those who did and passed a lot of misinformed judgments about it. So that's what it comes down to - respect our decisions and we're more likely to respect yours ya know? I understand where you are coming from. It's just tough being a non-drinker in a community where alcohol consumption seems to be at a high level due to there not being a lot to do. I think, then again, I do not know this, but I think that there's a lot more partying here than at other schools. I understand that analogy that Strange Sox presents. The thing is, my situation is a little bit different. Both the girlfriend and I aren't wanting to be around people drinking even socially, nor do we want to drink. I'm not saying this on her behalf or that "we" are one person. That's just how it is different for us, because I know that she knows people from a lot of places but just doesn't wish to be around people who are drinking. In my case, I agree with her. And so, I will continue to pursue things that don't involve parties in any way and I will probably learn more as time goes on. I just have been frustrated lately with how things have been going on my campus, especially since I know what I want to do, and that is just game, play sports, among all my other hobbies and just live. I appreciate all of your comments and will keep them into consideration. Soxtalk is definitely a great community and now that I've come back a little more wise and old, I come to see this message board in a different way. With that being said, I am very excited for our upcoming baseball season. Go White Sox!

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 26, 2008 -> 08:22 AM) I read the first couple of pages in this thread, then abandoned it to say this to the Beastmeister: Hang in there, man. You may not be the coolest guy on campus, but you have your morals and your integrity. As long as you can look yourself in the eye in the mirror every morning, you'll be just fine. Keep fighting the good fight and march to the beat of the drummer you choose. I don't think you'll have any regrets. (root beer) Thanks man, that is what I really needed to hear.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 09:31 PM) Beastly, you clearly haven't paid enough attention to sorority shirts or you'd know that "Life is never wasted when you're wasted all the time" Do people even remember what happened the night before if they are wasted? QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 10:49 PM) second off, I don't think you should go to parties if it's not your scene. I DO think you should go to cafe's, music clubs, and get involved in student groups on campus. Because a lot of what was said was true. What we learn in a classroom doesn't translate into a workroom environment. You should get involved in things where you are working alongside one another. Because frankly, if you enter the workplace with this "I'm better than everyone I have a girlfriend and gaming network, while they are all drunk assholes who don't care about anything but getting drunk" I can't imagine it will be good for the office team dynamic. See bolded region---Thank you for the post! I do go to Starbucks and if many of you have overlooked this---I am involved in groups, such as the radio station, the Daily Eastern News, and I am starting to get involved with the Catholic church more. I am also considering getting involved in the Government here as well as just refereeing at the gym since I certainly am qualified. (IHSA qualified in Baseball, Basketball, and Football.) I am working alongside people, AND I do not say flat out, "I am better than everyone" anywhere here. I will not rant about that, I will ask about more meaningful aspects about people's lives and will focus on the more positive things since it mainly will be about work. QUOTE(Heads22 @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 11:21 PM) I passed out after four beers once. /end debate At least you weren't like my roommate who couldn't open the door, walked towards the bathroom, threw up in his shirt and passed out in the shower butt naked. Then he came in and threw up while I was still awake and I was like, man, you're pathetic. I just left and went to a friends house, it really didn't matter much to me what he got himself into because he needed to face the consequences of his actions alone. Yes, I probably would have helped someone I cared about.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) I'm sure magic could turn into a hella drinking game. Like the number of damage points you take is equal to the number of shots you have to drink. Destroy an artifact = chug a tall boy. Beastly, wanna help us write some more of these rules? Not playing drinking games or being in that scene, I wouldn't know what to say about the amount of drinks. For each land you play, take a drink? I think Warlord, my original game would probably be labeled a better drinking game, but again, I've only heard stories from the older posters/players from the Temple of Lore (a Warlord website) so I wouldn't know because I don't drink.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 05:23 PM) the problem is that a) very little of what you learn in CLASS is applicable to the job market and the "real world". What's important is social interaction. Honestly, that's what gets you EVERYWHERE in EVERY career. It's almost always WHO you know. b ) you say the person you are RIGHT NOW is good enough for you. Well I just can't understand that mindset. I'm always trying to be better. Better at acting (my chosen profession), better at dealing with people (i'm pretty hot headed), etc. We ALL have things that we need to improve on and we all have a chance to grow. We can all become whatever we want to but to just sit back and say that the person you are at 19 - 19!- years of age is "good enough"... god that's just sad man. you've gotta have dreams and aspirations. You've got to have things that will light a fire under your ass. look, in the end i don't care whether you drink or not, but just don't settle for "good enough". I understand your first point, and I'll do that through something other than drinking---perhaps through the church at some point. I'm trying to get better with the things I want in my life. I will grow in several ways, but using parties as a source for this will not work for me. I do have dreams and aspirations---marriage, a family of my own, being an English teacher that kids will remember from High School, and overall just being a great person. I'll obtain what I want through well thought out developed ways instead of the traditional drinking scene. (Again, for many, this will work, but not for all. What I mean by drinking is going to parties and doing whatever is done there.) I won't settle for good enough, I can promise you that, Reddy.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 02:23 PM) Are you concerned about being mature or having other people see you as mature? Not trying to be snarky about it either, but you are throwing that around an awful lot. No ones even saying you have to drink. But the socialization that you're having just isn't total socialization. Try going out without drinking. You'll strike up conversations, see people from your classes and you'll make friends. Hell, if it makes you uneasy, just carry around a cup of beer that you won't drink, so people don't say anything. But you're losing a chance to network and meet people. That's all. On a side note, stuff like Magic...if you want to be seen as mature, those two just don't jive. Sorry. Again, not trying to be snarky, but in all honesty, that doesn't come across as something that a "mature" person would be into - at least, a well adjusted one. To be honest with you, I've never really cared about what people think about me. I feel that I am being mature about what I'm doing at college and staying true to my beliefs. I do not want to go to the party scene and even hold a beer, that is not my scene and frankly that's not what college is all about to me. I want to do things that interest me on the weekends, such as (all of what I mentioned before.) I'm not trying to be seen as being "mature" by playing Magic. I am trying to become a well adjusted person, I just don't want to go out and party. Understood? No? I thought so. QUOTE(iamshack @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) Is that really what you know, or what you think? Seems as though some people have impressed upon you some very stringent beliefs and ideas...and that's fine. But there is absolutely something to the idea that college is a time to really figure out who you are- and that involves experiencing different things to find out what you enjoy best, what your strengths are and what your weaknesses are. Believe me, you may want to keep to yourself and socialize only with your best friends and your girlfriend and your video game friends...but there is a whole lot more to collegian life than what you are seeing. Sure, a lot of it happens within a framework of drugs, alcohol, and sex. But one can become immersed in a lot of the activities and social aspects of college without becoming the drunken, obnoxious people you quite obviously are turned off by. I suggest you make more of an effort to see what's out there, because it isn't so much the academic skills you learn in college that prepare you to go out into the real world, it's the social skills you learn that teach you to thrive in the real world. I can associate with who I please---and I have met new people. I am not comfortable with going to parties nor do I want to go, it's just something that doesn't interest me that interests most everyone else. I do not want to hear said definition of the "real world" because there are so many opposing views about that. I'm fine with my life, and agree your encouragement, but I'm not looking to change. Who knew my original post would spark so much persuasion by the opposition? I would say I am preparing myself for the real world socially by identifying my weaknesses through what I learn in my classes and I feel like I am advancing myself to find out who I truly am---and the person that I am is good enough for me. QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 02:47 PM) how bout go out and make some real life friends? I truly think you're trying to prove to yourself that you're happy. i'm not sure you really are. how do i seeing this scenario playing out? when your girlfriend cheats/breaks up with you/fill in the blank, you're going to have an emotional collapse and go apesh*t and start doing all the things we've been arguing about. book it. I just don't feel like drinking and if she does break up with me, I'll meet people the way that I do. But I'm living in the moment. I'm very happy with the friends I do have, I have real life friends. We do things other than gaming but for the most part it is nice to have something in common with people. QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 03:00 PM) In all seriousness...to each his own man. I personally liked to drink, party and be stoopid. Hell, I'm 34 and I still do. If you don't want to drink that's cool, but if I can make one suggestion it would be don't isolate yourself. Don't avoid a bar or a party because other people will be drinking. Hell, you can go with your friends, stay sober and make fun of all the drunk idiots....that could be a really fun night. It seems you have your little clique and you're staying in it for fear of being around others that don't share your exact beliefs. Your entire life will most likely consist of you being around people that aren't the same as you, so college is a good time to learn how to handle it. You don't want to graduate and be socially inept. There'll be plenty of time for you to be mature and serious in life. In fact, it's probably gonna start a lot sooner than you think, so let loose a little...have some fun out of your comfort zone. The last thing you want to do is leave college with the same social character as when you went in. It's a time to grow...you can keep the same "moral" character, but you should definitely expand your horizons socially. Exactly, the phrase "to each his own" works for me. That could be the consensus we'll have to come up with for this argument. I don't isolate myself, I just don't want to go to a bar or house party, which seems to be the common form of entertainment on the weekends for students at EIU. I'm not socially inept, but I sure do not want to waste my time going to parties. I'll expand my social horizons in a way that doesn't involve alcohol. But, I would just say "to each his own," and that I do not want to change some aspects---I want to have things in my life that I really enjoy.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 01:11 PM) Alcohol is truth serum. That's what makes it so good and bad all at the same time. What you do on alcohol is what your inner beast really wants to do. If you want to express yourself, you will; if you want to do drugs or have sex, you will; if you want to just be out of control, you will; if you want to hold a lengthy conversation about the differences and similarities between Muhammad, Moses, and Jesus Christ, and someone else does too, you will. I have been all over the spectrum as to what I've done when drunk, and I have had several intellectual conversations. I've talked about Catholicism and some of Einstein's theories and politics, and on the complete other side, I've been streaking, talked about why TMNT is the greatest show on earth (and why Leonardo is the best TMNT of them all, although that really needs no explanation), jumped in snow, and ridden down stairs on a cardboard box. All of it was fun, and I regret doing none of it, because when I really got to thinking about it, I really did want to do all of it. So I've done some stupid things. Why should I care? I'll never have the opportunity to act like a complete idiot ever again, so I may as well do it. The "inner beast" does not want to do drugs, drink or have sex at this point. I'm glad you want to have fun but right now at this moment in my life, all I want to do involves things that are more mature than what some college students want. I want to have my serious relationship continue and I want to have it develop into something greater, as it has since she and I started dating. I want to have a smaller group of friends and flourish with them being so close. I would love nothing but having what I've had in the past few years, which is a happy, mature, loving, caring lifestyle. I don't feel that I fit in the age group I do because all of what I want to do involve more mature and developed ideas. Have fun doing as you please, wite, and the rest of you---and I will continue to do what I want in achieving high standards and having a quality life full of values, small groups of close friends, a relationship with my girlfriend and of course, watching White Sox baseball, because that is what I want to live by.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 25, 2008 -> 01:17 AM) ok dude, one thing i want to make PERFECTLY clear. Just because you drink does NOT mean you will cheat on girlfriend or "hurt your relationship". In my life, only ONCE have i ever done something i sincerely regretted while drunk - and it was after the breakup so hey, no harm done. also, here are my reactions to your story: - you're 19 years old and you're so gosh dang committed to this girl which hey, fine, that's nice. but make sure you're making YOU happy and not just doing things to make HER happy. If 2 years from now you break up, will you look back and regret not making the most of your college experience by going out and just letting loose for once?? - gaming =/= social. fine, Magic may be, but you dont even know most of the people you 'interact' with online, and if you're looking for "deep meaningful relationships" why don't you GO OUT AND MAKE SOME FRIENDS!!!??? - I drink usually 2-3 times a week on average and I have a 3.6 after 3 years of school along with working 3 jobs, acting in shows (2 simultaneously right now) and learning/practicing guitar. Think i'm an idiot? I think you'll find that for the most part, alcohol consumption does not affect GPA much at all and you can't put people into stereotyped generalized categories either - you're being just as "idiotic" as them by being so freaking closed minded. - You kid, just need to get out and LIVE your life. Otherwise I'm pretty damn sure you're gonna look back with regret. You only live once, amigo, and in all honesty - mistakes are a part of the game. if you don't let yourself make mistakes you'll never learn from them and you'll never grow. you'll stay the static human being you are now for the next 70 years. personally not something that sounds all that great to me. Look dude, I didn't want to need to bring this up in the thread, but I will. I have dealt with depression before in my life and so I think that if I did drink and do something while intoxicated, I would regret it. Let me phrase it this way, I would regret drinking. I don't do things that I would regret. I won't look back "if 2 years from now" we break up---I do things to make me happy, as my fore mentioned hobbies indicate. My college experience is going to be great, I just need some things (I'm not sure what) to fall into place. I think there's a common misconception about gamers, we actually do talk about things other than just talk about gaming while gaming. We do have meaningful in depth conversations about things as well as share our lives with each other, and that works for us. I do know people, Magic the Gathering and Warlord are not online---that would be EverQuest or World of Warcraft. I do in fact know all of the people that I play with online. I also have friends that aren't gamers, too. My god, man, I have already established something about your third reaction in my thread. I do not see a need to further go into this. I am living my life. Living my life means getting my school work done, working out, having conversations with people instead of generic crap that I had when I started out here, continuing to work as a patched IHSA umpire, having a relationship with my girlfriend, having friends from back home to hang with, gaming here, watching movies here and doing things the way I want them to be done. There is a way to make sure you can prevent things so then mistakes don't consume you in the end---especially if you don't want to regret things, because I know I would and I would always wonder what I would have had if I stayed true to my values and beliefs instead of just changing them.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) When I went to college, I drank underage, I joined a fraternity, got hammered a lot. It really never affected my grades as far as I could tell, and really the people I was around were doing the same thing as me so I really never even thought how my behavior would affect others in the bars and restaurants and parties where I was drunk, although I was a happy one. Now several years out of college, I don't drink that much, maybe a couple of beers at a game, or some cocktails at a party. There are a few occassions when I know I'm probably going to be overserved, so I'm pretty much prepared for it. The thing is, when I go to places sober like I used to go in hammered and see people acting like I did, to a point I see they are just having fun, but in a way I do see your point of view. While I was a lot different than you when I was a student, and may not totally agree with all of your views, I do admire you sticking to you them. All I would like to say to this is thank you for your post. QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 24, 2008 -> 01:20 PM) I'm not a huge partier, but in college (I still do it now) at least a few times a month I'd go all out and just let lose. For me it was nice to have some drinks (probably a few more than I should have, haha), joke around with friends, make jackasses out of each other and just have a blast and if single at the time, maybe get lucky). I can have tons of fun with a drink in my hand or without it, but don't consider people idiots just because they drink. Nor think that they need a drink in there hands to have fun. I'd never play Magic the Gathering, but are we sitting around stereotyping you as an idiot for playing that, no. So why stereotype us for having a drink in our hand. And in terms of grades, I graduated with a 3.75 so I don't think it ever got in my way (obviously for some people it might, but that is just because that person doesn't have there priorities straight). I'd bet there are more people failing out of school from playing Warcart and crap like that than from boozing. 1. I consider people who can't control themselves after they consume alcohol idiots. 2. I'm not stereotyping---people do really stupid things after drinking at school. 3. It does take a toll on some people's grades. It is World of Warcraft, not Warcart. Your argument could be proven, but so could mine. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 24, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) I just don't get what the problem is, beastly. Honestly, what did you expect when going away to school? If you like gaming and don't want to drink, then good for you, more power to you but others want to live their lives differently and not everyone is a moron when they drink. These last few years have easily been the best of my life and I'd be lying if I said that alcohol/partying didn't have something to do with that. I expected maybe initially I would have a decent enough roommate to develop a group of friends with who, I don't know, maybe wouldn't want to get drunk on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I expected that more people would have something better to say than just some generic crap. I expected some deeper conversations---like the ones I have with my girlfriend. I don't think transferring would do much because the counter argument I hear is, "All colleges are like that." Not everyone is a moron when they drink, but on my campus, I feel a vast majority of them don't do so responsibly and so, they are idiots. I suppose the best few years of my life so far were June 2005-end of summer of 2007, and I think once things start to slow down and spring comes out, things could get better. I've also had a blast over the times I've come home or just got together to game on Friday nights. But without my close relationship of actually being with my girlfriend, it's definitely different. (And that's okay, I knew there'd be challenges---I'm willing to face them and do anything I need to.) Luckily we have an early Spring Break in 12 days or so, so that will be fun. I'm glad that you're having fun but for me, I guess it has been a struggle---although it has been better since I've found myself with people who like to game and recently I've found my relationship with God, my girlfriend, old friends and my family to get even better. QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 24, 2008 -> 02:11 PM) And what I was saying isn't that you should cheat on your girlfriend, or drink when you don't want to, but you are 19 and not everything happens the way you want it to happen. 10 years from now, you may look back on this time and laugh at how different things are. Hey, if it works out the way you want to, great. Just don't be too harsh on yourself or anyone else. One of the things that I find different about me than others is that my morals are strong, I don't do things I know I will regret, and if I want something so bad, I will do just about anything to get what I want. I do not wish to drink at all, I do not find it healthy and actually think I'm in the best shape of my life from exercising (even with the lousy dorm food). I'd love it if it works out, but I know I'll always have the people who are skeptical. Yes I'm optimistic.

Neither of them. I think we have to put faith in Danks, Count and Floyd to produce. Ozzie said the other day that Floyd is throwing the best right now, so that's good, positive news.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 23, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) You ever bother to think that some laws might be unjust and written poorly? Or do you always want to be a blind sheep? I'm not telling you to break the law, but perhaps you should step away from WoW for just an hour an think why some other people in this world make the decisions you don't. I do not play World of Warcraft, so stop saying that I do. I do know why some people make different decisions, but I'm just saying, it's hard to hang with people on the weekends when they are drinking and you are trying to have an intellectual conversation with someone. Regardless of what the belief is, it is STILL against the law. QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 23, 2008 -> 07:57 PM) Not to mention you are still a young man. It's nice you think so highly of your girlfriend, but for the love of all that's holy, you are in college. You have a lot of life to live. Enjoy it. What the heck is this supposed to mean? When I was going away to school, I knew what I was going to do, and that was to maintain my relationship with my girlfriend when I was going away. I do not feel like doing this whole, going to a party or hanging around people who are drinking kind of thing. When I'm 21, I probably will have a beer or two when I watch a baseball game, but I'm really not one to like to go to bars or go hang with people who are drinking to get drunk. I've never been around people drinking underaged and I've never in my 19 years of existence had a drink in my life. The life I want to live is what I have right now, with a healthy relationship (which I will not go out and ruin by doing said things), a close family, a few close friends, hobbies, a job when I return home, and just overall, the life I want is not too shabby. No need to change things, IMO. And I'm not going to go hit on some girl or drink and do something I regret to hurt things in my relationship---that would just be dumb. QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 24, 2008 -> 10:24 AM) I do agree that there's nothing wrong with drinking. If you're in control, and aren't an idiot, it's a fun time. And if you don't want to drink, that's cool too. You can still be social without drinking though, even when other people drink. One of my better friends refuses to drink, yet he still hangs out with us from time to time and has fun. I guess I think a lot of people at my campus are not in control of their drinking, so that makes things ridiculously idiotic. I am social without drinking and hang around others who don't as well, and as I mentioned, things are going well in my life, so there's no need to change to drink, among other things.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 23, 2008 -> 01:43 AM) First off, peer pressure is a bulls*** excuse created by people with no self control. Alcoholism and social drinking is totally different as well. I basically disagree with everything you said in this thread. Drinking is not bad. And people who drink are not bad. I commend you on sticking to your beliefs and what not, but don't try to put yourself above others because you don't drink. And it's also bulls*** that you label people generic because they drink. Gamers are a totally unique group of "intellectuals" right? I don't smoke weed. I know many people that do. I don't agree with it and I won't do it, but I don't formulate opinions about people because they smoke weed once in a while. I have self control. I am not saying alcoholics and social drinking is the same thing either. Underaged drinking is bad. It is against the law. I think it is a bit corrupt that my RA and people on campus overlook the alcohol use by people under 21. I think drinking tickets are justified by police because it is against the law. I'm not putting myself above others, either. Please, do not think I label people generic because they drink. I am just sick of seeing the same old people around because they are so generic. I also am not saying we're a unique group of intellectuals, but generally, on my campus I feel I can only have a non-generic conversation with only select individuals because so many others have to have alcohol to have a good time here. It's people that game I feel like I can relate most with, and I'm not saying the others aren't all generic, but what I am saying is that for the most part on my campus, I see the same kind of generic individuals with little to nothing intellectual to talk about. Smoking Marijuana is still against the law. I wish some people would take laws into consideration and follow them---again, people on my campus smoke marijuana just like they drink---every single weekend.