LittleHurtCG
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It's looking more and more like Caleb will be playing under a new head coach and learning a brand new offense next year. Where have we seen this movie before?
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54 minutes ago, bmags said:
I think the line stuff is a lot on morgan/waldron.
We saw an interior that could move guys well last year in the run game, now they are getting swallowed up.
The assumption is always the good stuff wasn't an oc and the bad stuff gets fixed, but Getsy was legitimately good at scheming the run, we went from bad to good under him, but people attributed all of it to Fields. We see that wasn't the case. Despite two pretty sweet RBs in Seattle, waldron's run game was poor. Our thought was Chris Morgan as run game coordinator would fix it. I'd give that to Thomas Brown immediately.
Is Waldron already on the hot seat? One offensive touchdown over the first two games is no bueno.
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8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Until Tony didn't get the most out of the players and they collapsed under his watch.
They were bound to collapse no matter who the manager was. They went from divion winner in 2021 to the worst team in the history of baseball in 3 years. That is all the proof one needs to see how the rebuild was built on a piss poor foundation.
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Caleb played terrible. Inaccurate passes, multiple balls batted down at the line of scrimmage, panicked and ran around like a chicken with his head cut off every time the pocket broke down.
Here's to hoping that the Bears have the coaching staff in place to help him develop. Next week in Houston gonna be a bloodbath if he craps the bed again.
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22 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:
If you call back to back playoff appearances flimsy for the first time in franchise history, sure.
One of those playoff appearances was the covid year and deserves an asterik. TLR got the most out of the players and mircalously won the division the next year. Two playoff appearances with no series wins is not a successful rebuild in no, way, shape, or form. Even more so due to the fact that Hahn was trying to emulate the Cubs and Astros rebuild.
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32 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
If the White Sox didn’t do the 2017 tear down, I am nearly 100% confident that they would have 0 playoff appearances since 2008.
Who really knows. Maybe they catch lighting in a bottle again with Sale and Q as the anchors of the rotation and sneak into the playoffs one year?
What is 100% a reality is that the Sox were not prepared internally to do a complete tank job back in 2016. They thought thye could just copy what the Cubs and Astros had done without putting in any hard work. The decisions to tank back then are still being felt today.
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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:
The rebuild was fine until they fired Ricky and hired Tony.
No it wasn't. It was built on an extremely flimsy foundation and was bound to collapse.
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Is Yoan Moncada the biggest bust in White Sox history??
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The Sox never should have done the first rebuild and traded away Chris Sale. They did not have the proper infrastructure in place back then to do a scorched earth rebuild. We are still feeling the reverbarations of all the horrible decisions made by Rick Hahn and Kenny Williams starting back in the Winter of 2016. Chris Getz has only added fuel to an already raging inferno.
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Has anyone from the Chicago media got a quote from Getz or anyone else in the organization yet on the likely possibility that this Sox team is the worse in the history of baseball? Has this trajectory even been acknowldeged at all by official Sox media?
Also, they are truly missing a unique marketing opportunity here. They should be promoting the march to infamy in different fun ways to get people out to the ballpark. Instead it is just more Elvis nights and bobbleheads..
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57 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Fedde should headline with two top 100's or a bit higher and a bit lower. With the shine being off of Walker, I wouldn't call him at top 100 anymore.
Nope. Fedde, Kopech, and Pham all packaged together couldn't even get one top 200 prospect. LMAO.
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1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Stop this madness. What would the Sox really do with that extra $17M a year that they can't already do beyond this year?
This is the same organization that thought Manny Machado would prefer to play one season with his cousin and BFF over 50 million guaranteed dollars. They are not a serious organization at all. There is definte smoke around attaching Beninentdi to a trade for Crochet.
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26 minutes ago, XplodingScorbord said:
This seems like…whatever the opposite of wishful thinking is. Yes, my post was an attempt to spread some positivity. But your supposition that virtually no one is getting traded is far less grounded in reality than mine. I suppose the next 30 hours or so will tell the tale.
Tick tock goes the clock.
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1 hour ago, XplodingScorbord said:
Today is the day we start seeing some of our Sox get laundered, as it were. Boob says “The White Sox could unload as many as seven players before the deadline:
- Garrett Crochet
- Erick Fedde
- Luis Robert Jr.
- Michael Kopech
- Chris Flexen
- Tommy Pham
- Paul DeJong”
I think we see motion on some of the non-Crochet and Robert bunch today so tomorrow can be spent bidding up those last two. And though not mentioned in the article, I’ve seen talk that StL might take a flyer on Brebbia, so maybe eight guys could go. Watch flights from CLT to MCI, I guess.
This seems like wishful thinking and not reality. Neither Crochet or Robert Jr are getting moved. Fedde may not either if all the offers are weak. Also, there are rumblings that JR does not want another rebuild and may instuct Getz to bring back Fedde next year in an effort to compete.
Kopech is still under control for next year and there is no pressing demand for Sox to move him now. No legit contender wants anything to do with Flexen, Pham, and Dejong. They will likely stay on in hopes that the Sox can avoid setting the worst record of all time.
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1 hour ago, BamaDoc said:
I looked at a lot of our flip/toss candidates. Pham, DeJong etc. lots of awful ops numbers over the last month or so. The losing streak and pre play has some .500 OPS numbers. Not sure you will get much. Looking more like a waiver claim or DFA which I wouldn't be against. Dump em and let some younger guys like Sosa know they have a long leash.
Exactly. This White Sox team is 50 games under 500. They have a roster full of terrible players that no other team wants besides Crochet, Robert, and Fedde. Why are people surprised that other GMs want nothing to do with the crappy players the Sox are trying to trade?
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Let's extend Crochet and build a nasty rotation around him, Thorpe, Schultz, the new lefty kid from Arkansas, and Cannon!
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2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:
I'm in your camp - he has spent a lot of time churning and we can see what he threw out, but at same time we have seen potential wins. Fedde is a huge win and they should get great value for him at the deadline. DeJong and Pham are both going to get value and Grossman got them something.
I also think moving Cease when they did worked out well and early returns on Thorpe are positive and we'll see what happens with the rest. But part of the Cease piece is, strategically, I don't think taking the long bet with pitching when you have good offers on the table is a smart move. The risk of injury (regardless of track record) is high, so to me the risk you get 0 vs. 90 cents on the dollar (and even that is debatable) drives me to make the deal vs. the added risk.
For example - on Crochet, I would be working every angle to prevent him from making another start. I am so worried when he takes the mound that he'll have a tweak or something pops up. If it does - we go from getting at least 2 top 100 guys (conservatively) to basically being back at square one. Given long-term view of the franchise - that is a risk I'm not willing to take.
How many innings do we expect Crochet to pitch tonight? Doesn't seem like it makes sense to run him out there for more than 50 pitches or so.
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17 hours ago, greg775 said:
What is an open convention? I don't follow this close enuf. Tell me what's going on and who will win the nommy. Thanx.
There isn't going to be an open convention. Kamala is going to get annointed the candidate by the big $$$ DNC kingmakers.
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4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Market value. Sox have nothing on the book.
I'd give him a 6 year extension, buy out 4 FA years with a team option on 7.
Give him 120 for the FA years with 30 mill option and projected Arb numbers for next two. Basically values out around the rodon contract.
It would awesome to extend Crochet and see the Sox form a nasty chimera of left handed starting pitchers in Crochet, Schultz, and the new kid they just drafted top 5.
Let's bring hope back to the South Side!
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7 minutes ago, GreenSox said:
It was a big mistake to put all 3 of those players together. All had at least another year on the contract. Frazier was having his typical year (which never excited me, but a lot people really liked him). Robertson and Kahnle were absolutely lights out, each with a WHIP < 1. They would have done much better splitting those 3 up. But, it's easier on Hahn to package them up and move on.
Just have to be really careful with any of them AAA or not. Always AAAA risk. I want players who are improving.Yep. No more old dudes with no upside like Charlie Tilson, Ryan Cordell, Zach Deloach. Let's get some young dudes with helium.
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13 hours ago, GreenSox said:
Well the problem was that our position players, other than Robert, either never developed (Vaughn) or turned to crap overnight (Eloy, Anderson, Benintendi, Moncada).
We just signed our best infielder: Senzel.
We didn't have to do it in 2016. But in 2024, we really don't have a choice.
They are plenty around here who will argue that the Sox didn't have a choice back in 2016 either. We had to tear it down and tank back then and we have to do it again now. There is no other way! s/
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5 minutes ago, Capn12 said:
I'd honestly rather keep Crochet and Robert. I know, I know, but still...I'm all for trading anyone else on this rag tag roster. Get something out of Fedde, any of the vets, and whatever else is left that is not named Korey Lee, but lets at least try to make some improvements overall while also keeping Crochet/Robert.
Also, move #1 should be move Kopech asap.
I concur. Build around Robert and Crochet and trade everyone else. Don't trust Getz not to get taken to the cleaners in any trade of Robert/Crochet.
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3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
Years of losing just like the Sox, but also drafting the right guys over those losing years unlike the Sox.
Tanking for usre played a part, but it cannot be the whole picture. Their scouting and player development people seem to know what they are doing.
In hindsight, Rick Hahn and company didn't bottom out enough after the Sale trade. The Sox really needed to put together at least 3 or 4 straight years of 110 plus losses to guarantee a couple draft picks at 1.1 and 1.2.
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How in the world did Baltimore acquire so many legit prospects? Their farm system is something else.
Buster Olney and Jesse Rogers’s turn ripping the Sox
in Pale Hose Talk
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Wasn't there a video taken in the clubhouse a few years back when it was announced that TA was going to the all star game? I remember none of his teammates cheering or acting excited for him. The whole video was very strange.
Also, TA is currently sitting out there unemployed and has been since like July. No teams seem to want to have anything to do with him even on the leage minimum. Future hall of famer Jose Ramirez also KOd the dude during the middle of a game and said that TA "had been disrespecting the game for quite some time." Pretty sure Jose Ramirez knows more about baseball than most.
Seems like there is some evidence actually..