LittleHurtCG

This times 1000. The Sox are going to need a legit closer if they want to win anything significant. Trading Hendricks is dumb.

Fire Rick Hahn the second he brings me the idea of tanking cause he saw the Cubs and Houston doing it. A new front office could have build around studs like Sale, Jose, and Q. I also don't need the benefit on hindsight. I was against the tank from day 1.

Disagree. The move is simple. Spend some damn $ on impact players since you can't draft and develop them yourselves. Tanking will never work for an organization like the White Sox as long as JR is the owner. The 2005 lighting in a bottle approach is the only way to go.

It worked in 2005. It could have worked again in the last three years of the Sale contract. We will never know though. All we have is the results from the tank job. Life is short and tanking is for losers.

Not sure if the rebuild made things any better. Most Sox fans didn't sign up to rebuild and become the Minnesota Twins for two years.

Hell no. Wanted nothing to do with a tank job in the first place. Tanked a whole freaking season for Nick Madrigal. Is it still too early to call that pick a massive bust?

Disagree on the tanking part. 6 years later and no playoff victories is not fine. There were other ways. They are back to running around in nuetral. Will there be another tank job thread this time next year when there are rumblings about dealing guys like Cease, TA, and Eloy?

The best option now and back in 2016 is the 2005 lighting in a bottle approach. Make a few veteran player trades ala Carlos Lee and buy some short term contracts to fill in around the edges. The Sox had Sale, Q, and Abreu to build around. Tearing it all down and trying to mimic the Astros and Cubs without bringing in a totally new front office and player development staff was destined to fail.

Disagree. There were other options rather than tanking. Just cause the other "cool" kids at the time were tanking didn't mean that the Sox had to do the same.

Very true. The more things change the more they stay the same I suppose.

Chris Sale was traded on this day 6 years ago for Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, Luis Basabe, and Victor Diaz. The trade signaled that the Sox were tired of being "mired in mediocrity" and that a full blown rebuild had begun. It is pretty clear that this trade was a total failure for the White Sox. Sale helped Boston win a world series in 2018. He has been hurt for the last few years and will likely never be the same stud that he once was. However, flags fly forever and Sale helped Boston accomplish its goal of being world champions. As for the Sox, Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe are no longer with the organization and likely out of professional baseball altogether. Moncada's career with the Sox is heading south fast. Sox fans were promised Robinson Cano junior but instead got someone more similiar to Ryan McMahon or Jonathan Schoop. The warning signs with Moncada were 100% present at the time of the trade as well. The Sox are now stuck with an overpaid dude who seems more interested in binge eating twinkies, fast cars, and making lame music videos. Things haven't worked out so great with Kopech either. 6 years later and the guy has only made 33 starts in a White Sox uniform. Gone are the days of the young flamethrower wowing Sox fans by throwing 105 mph in his Instagram workout videos. Sox nation thought they were getting a hard nosed Texan fireballer like Nolan Ryan or Kerry Wood. Instead they got a dude with a similiarity score way closer to Keegan Thompson. Let this trade be a lesson for all of White Sox nation who cheered on the tank job. Tanking with a front office lead by Rick Hahn and KW, and JR as the owner, was a terrible idea from the start and destined to fail. 6 years since the Sale trade and the Sox still haven't won a single playoff series. Complete and total failure all around.

Do we have any recent precedent for a rebuild failing as spectacularly as the Sox one has? This sure isn't a KC, Cubs, Atlanta, or Houston style rebuild. I guess the Pirates rebuild from 2013 to 2015 is the closest comparision? This Sox rebuild really reminds me of the Cleveland Browns from 4-5 years ago when they made the cover of Sports Illustrated. They had a supposed can't miss core of Mayfield, OBJ, Landry, and Myles Garret. The Browns didn't win jack with that core just like the Sox.

Print up the 2023 World Series Tickets! There is nothing stopping this freight train next year baby!

The standings are showing otherwise. It was an extremely overrated and thin roster coming into the season. One doesn't need a bunch of advanced degrees from Ivy league institutions to know that sticking first basemen in the outfield is not a good idea. The 2022 White Sox were one of the worst defensive teams I've ever seen. Hard to win a division when you don't know how to field.

No way in hell would this team be up by 5 or 6 games with a different manager. Pure fantasy there. The only way Sox would be up big in the AL Central right now is if you put Aaron Judge, Trea Turner, and Carlos Rodon on the current roster.

You hit the nail on the head. There is not a huge amount of talent on this roster. All you need to do is look at the standings this year and the number of playoff series won by this team since the rebuild started.

Um no. No he isn't

Bingo. No more Rick Hahn. He had his shot. Get someone in here from outside the organization who isn't so emotionally invested in some of these "core" guys. Sox ain't winning a world series any time soon but they can probably back door into a wild card berth or something.

Bump In Rick Hahn we trust.